Talk:Gamelismic clan - Revision history

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	Thanks in advance for any insight you can share!		Thanks in advance for any insight you can share!

			: An example of not using mos is the diatonic–inflection approach in which we simply take the diatonic scale and apply comma-level inflections to reach the ratios we want, while using comma pumps to lock into the temperament. It's also possible to replace diatonic with whatever scales you like. If you're using a tuning of mothra and if the commas of mothra are required to be tempered out in the piece, then you're undoubtedly using mothra.

			: On this wiki mothra used to be listed under the meantone family, but even there I can't find a previous temperament entry where non-mos approaches are/were ever suggested. I think the author simply assumed the readers should be familiar with all the approaches. The truth is these approaches are basically never documented on this wiki.

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			: [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 08:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

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/Mothra

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	Also, just thinking about good wiki practice: Although it says "once again", implying that this has been explained elsewhere, there is no citation or reference made, and I cannot find another place in the article that makes or elaborates on this point. I suggest / request that someone who knows what this is about either elaborate on the point in this paragraph, or link to an article or subarticle explains this.		Also, just thinking about good wiki practice: Although it says "once again", implying that this has been explained elsewhere, there is no citation or reference made, and I cannot find another place in the article that makes or elaborates on this point. I suggest / request that someone who knows what this is about either elaborate on the point in this paragraph, or link to an article or subarticle explains this.

			Thanks in advance for any insight you can share!

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	== /Mothra ==		== /Mothra ==

	I am perplexed about something in this section. In the first paragraph it says, "Using 31edo with a generator of 6/31 is an excellent tuning choice. '''Once again something other than a mos should be used as a scale to get the most out of mothra'''."		I am perplexed about something in this section. In the first paragraph it says, "Using 31edo with a generator of 6/31 is an excellent tuning choice. '''''Once again something other than a mos should be used as a scale to get the most out of mothra'''''."

	The first part makes sense to me; that's how I make the 31edo hexatonic mothra mos scale that I'm familiar with.		The first part makes sense to me; that's how I make the 31edo hexatonic mothra mos scale that I'm familiar with.

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	Called "restles" in the temperament finder. http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=77+%26+87&limit=7 [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 02:00, 11 August 2020 (UTC)		Called "restles" in the temperament finder. http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=77+%26+87&limit=7 [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 02:00, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

			== /Mothra ==

			I am perplexed about something in this section. In the first paragraph it says, "Using 31edo with a generator of 6/31 is an excellent tuning choice. '''Once again something other than a mos should be used as a scale to get the most out of mothra'''."

			The first part makes sense to me; that's how I make the 31edo hexatonic mothra mos scale that I'm familiar with.

			'''But what would this non-MOS alternative look like? How does one build that scale?'''
			(All I can think of is adding whatever extra notes I want to make more harmonies and chords possible, but I am wondering if the original writer here has something methodical in mind, and wondering how you make it non-mos but still resolutely 'mothra'.)

			Also, just thinking about good wiki practice: Although it says "once again", implying that this has been explained elsewhere, there is no citation or reference made, and I cannot find another place in the article that makes or elaborates on this point. I suggest / request that someone who knows what this is about either elaborate on the point in this paragraph, or link to an article or subarticle explains this.

FloraC: /* Undocumented temperament */ new section

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			== Undocumented temperament ==

			Called "restles" in the temperament finder. http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=77+%26+87&limit=7 [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 02:00, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

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	~~== Badness ==~~
	~~What is badness and how to calculate it?~~

	~~- '''xenwolf''' June 10, 2013, 11:40:29 PM UTC-0700~~
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	~~I started at least the disambiguation page Badness, please help your readers :)~~

	~~- '''xenwolf''' June 12, 2013, 04:01:20 AM UTC-0700~~
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	~~== Name update ==~~
	~~Gene Smith and I bilaterally approved calling the 13-limit rodan extension tempering out 91/90 "aerodactyl" instead of "superduper". I changed it and also included 51c as a possible tuning.~~

	~~- '''d.schallert''' January 09, 2013, 09:19:31 PM UTC-0800~~
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	~~== question about slendric ==~~
	I came across an MOS scale of 37edo that could perhaps fall under the "slendric" category. The generator is 7\37, around 227.0 cents. The "Gamelismic clan" page says, "three 8/7 intervals give a fifth, 3/2," which describes this scale, except the fifth is rather flat, at 681.1 cents. This temperament seems optimized for 13-limit no-3 chords such as 8:10:11:13:14. If one were to consider this scale as not approximating 3 at all, but instead optimizing the tuning of the other 13-limit intervals, would it make sense to call it a different temperament?

	~~Thanks,~~

	~~Andrew~~

	~~- '''Andrew_Heathwaite''' August 13, 2011, 10:03:01 AM UTC-0700~~
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	(One reason I care about this scale: I think the 16-tone version would fit nicely on a guitar, since the steps would be 64.9 and 97.3 cents, not too small for frets. The pattern is 3223223223223222.)

	~~- '''Andrew_Heathwaite''' August 13, 2011, 10:05:34 AM UTC-0700~~
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	~~Sure; this is the 16&21 2.5.7.11.13 subgroup temperament tempering out 176/175, 847/845 and 640/637. I'll write it up unless you have an objection, but what should it be called?~~

	~~- '''genewardsmith''' August 13, 2011, 04:02:18 PM UTC-0700~~
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	~~I'm inclined to call it Shoe. Assuming that name is free.~~

	I don't have the mathematical arsenal to find out how close 7\37 would be to the minimax generator for this temperament, but my guess would be darn close. Are there higher edos that improve the nearness to JI?

	~~- '''Andrew_Heathwaite''' August 13, 2011, 05:16:40 PM UTC-0700~~
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	~~And I have no objections to your writing it up, Gene. Thanks for the prompt response!~~

	~~- '''Andrew_Heathwaite''' August 13, 2011, 05:17:12 PM UTC-0700~~
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	~~Here it is:~~

	~~shoe~~

	~~- '''genewardsmith''' August 13, 2011, 06:21:04 PM UTC-0700~~
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	~~Cool, thanks!~~

	~~- '''Andrew_Heathwaite''' August 14, 2011, 09:50:31 AM UTC-0700~~
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== Badness ==
What is badness and how to calculate it?

- '''xenwolf''' June 10, 2013, 11:40:29 PM UTC-0700
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I started at least the disambiguation page Badness, please help your readers :)

- '''xenwolf''' June 12, 2013, 04:01:20 AM UTC-0700
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== Name update ==
Gene Smith and I bilaterally approved calling the 13-limit rodan extension tempering out 91/90 "aerodactyl" instead of "superduper". I changed it and also included 51c as a possible tuning.

- '''d.schallert''' January 09, 2013, 09:19:31 PM UTC-0800
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== question about slendric ==
I came across an MOS scale of 37edo that could perhaps fall under the "slendric" category. The generator is 7\37, around 227.0 cents. The "Gamelismic clan" page says, "three 8/7 intervals give a fifth, 3/2," which describes this scale, except the fifth is rather flat, at 681.1 cents. This temperament seems optimized for 13-limit no-3 chords such as 8:10:11:13:14. If one were to consider this scale as not approximating 3 at all, but instead optimizing the tuning of the other 13-limit intervals, would it make sense to call it a different temperament?

Thanks,

Andrew

- '''Andrew_Heathwaite''' August 13, 2011, 10:03:01 AM UTC-0700
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(One reason I care about this scale: I think the 16-tone version would fit nicely on a guitar, since the steps would be 64.9 and 97.3 cents, not too small for frets. The pattern is 3223223223223222.)

- '''Andrew_Heathwaite''' August 13, 2011, 10:05:34 AM UTC-0700
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Sure; this is the 16&21 2.5.7.11.13 subgroup temperament tempering out 176/175, 847/845 and 640/637. I'll write it up unless you have an objection, but what should it be called?

- '''genewardsmith''' August 13, 2011, 04:02:18 PM UTC-0700
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I'm inclined to call it Shoe. Assuming that name is free.

I don't have the mathematical arsenal to find out how close 7\37 would be to the minimax generator for this temperament, but my guess would be darn close. Are there higher edos that improve the nearness to JI?

- '''Andrew_Heathwaite''' August 13, 2011, 05:16:40 PM UTC-0700
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And I have no objections to your writing it up, Gene. Thanks for the prompt response!

- '''Andrew_Heathwaite''' August 13, 2011, 05:17:12 PM UTC-0700
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Here it is:

shoe

- '''genewardsmith''' August 13, 2011, 06:21:04 PM UTC-0700
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Cool, thanks!

- '''Andrew_Heathwaite''' August 14, 2011, 09:50:31 AM UTC-0700
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