Talk:Classic - Revision history

Cmloegcmluin: /* Redirect to 5-limit */

2023-03-14T16:55:05Z

Redirect to 5-limit

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	I suggest to redirect directly to [[5-limit]] and put the word "classic" in bold on that page. Any clarification provided here could be moved over as well, if deemed useful. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 04:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)		I suggest to redirect directly to [[5-limit]] and put the word "classic" in bold on that page. Any clarification provided here could be moved over as well, if deemed useful. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 04:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

			: As the original creator of this page, that's totally fine by me. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 16:55, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Fredg999: /* Redirect to 5-limit */ new section

2023-03-14T04:22:15Z

Redirect to 5-limit: new section

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	::::: Yes, I think that's common. A search of the wiki for results "containing..." using quotes for "classic major second" seems to confirm. Whereas 9/8 would be the Pythagorean major second, because Pythagorean functions just like "classic", except for 3-limit. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 23:25, 9 June 2021 (UTC)		::::: Yes, I think that's common. A search of the wiki for results "containing..." using quotes for "classic major second" seems to confirm. Whereas 9/8 would be the Pythagorean major second, because Pythagorean functions just like "classic", except for 3-limit. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 23:25, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

			== Redirect to 5-limit ==

			I suggest to redirect directly to [[5-limit]] and put the word "classic" in bold on that page. Any clarification provided here could be moved over as well, if deemed useful. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 04:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Cmloegcmluin at 23:25, 9 June 2021

2021-06-09T23:25:58Z

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	:::: Done. However, I now have a question as to how to refer to intervals like 10/9... "Classic Major Second"? --[[User:Aura\|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura\|talk]]) 21:45, 9 June 2021 (UTC)		:::: Done. However, I now have a question as to how to refer to intervals like 10/9... "Classic Major Second"? --[[User:Aura\|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura\|talk]]) 21:45, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

			::::: Yes, I think that's common. A search of the wiki for results "containing..." using quotes for "classic major second" seems to confirm. Whereas 9/8 would be the Pythagorean major second, because Pythagorean functions just like "classic", except for 3-limit. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 23:25, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Aura at 21:45, 9 June 2021

2021-06-09T21:45:31Z

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	::: I agree with Xenwolf that ''pental'' is approaching a different problem. The term ''classic major third'' refers only to one thing: 5/4, while I agree you could use ''pental'' for anything you want (the examples you give are obvious reasonable choices). ''Classic'' is used as part of several popular, established names for intervals. For an example, please consider the page [[chromatic semitone]]. The entire point of this article is to document how "classic" is understood in this domain to ''not'' refer to 3-limit intervals or anything other than 5-limit. I made this page exactly because that fact is not obvious from the word itself. I only recently learned that fact myself, and I wanted to document it for the benefit of others. If you agree with this purpose, Aura, I suggest you revert your edit and document your thoughts on ''pental'' elsewhere (feel free to link there from here, though, because that would certainly be useful). --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 15:15, 9 June 2021 (UTC)		::: I agree with Xenwolf that ''pental'' is approaching a different problem. The term ''classic major third'' refers only to one thing: 5/4, while I agree you could use ''pental'' for anything you want (the examples you give are obvious reasonable choices). ''Classic'' is used as part of several popular, established names for intervals. For an example, please consider the page [[chromatic semitone]]. The entire point of this article is to document how "classic" is understood in this domain to ''not'' refer to 3-limit intervals or anything other than 5-limit. I made this page exactly because that fact is not obvious from the word itself. I only recently learned that fact myself, and I wanted to document it for the benefit of others. If you agree with this purpose, Aura, I suggest you revert your edit and document your thoughts on ''pental'' elsewhere (feel free to link there from here, though, because that would certainly be useful). --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 15:15, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

			:::: Done. However, I now have a question as to how to refer to intervals like 10/9... "Classic Major Second"? --[[User:Aura\|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura\|talk]]) 21:45, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Cmloegcmluin: /* "Classic pental" */

2021-06-09T15:15:31Z

"Classic pental"

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	:: For my part, I'm forced to say that there are multiple pental major thirds and multiple pental minor thirds. For example, both 5/4 and 164025/131072 are pental major thirds since both are 5-limit. As far as I'm concerned, "pental" by itself could refer to either of these, and "classic" by itself could easily be used to refer to 3-limit intervals just as easily as 5-limit intervals. --[[User:Aura\|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura\|talk]]) 00:53, 9 June 2021 (UTC)		:: For my part, I'm forced to say that there are multiple pental major thirds and multiple pental minor thirds. For example, both 5/4 and 164025/131072 are pental major thirds since both are 5-limit. As far as I'm concerned, "pental" by itself could refer to either of these, and "classic" by itself could easily be used to refer to 3-limit intervals just as easily as 5-limit intervals. --[[User:Aura\|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura\|talk]]) 00:53, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

			::: I agree with Xenwolf that ''pental'' is approaching a different problem. The term ''classic major third'' refers only to one thing: 5/4, while I agree you could use ''pental'' for anything you want (the examples you give are obvious reasonable choices). ''Classic'' is used as part of several popular, established names for intervals. For an example, please consider the page [[chromatic semitone]]. The entire point of this article is to document how "classic" is understood in this domain to ''not'' refer to 3-limit intervals or anything other than 5-limit. I made this page exactly because that fact is not obvious from the word itself. I only recently learned that fact myself, and I wanted to document it for the benefit of others. If you agree with this purpose, Aura, I suggest you revert your edit and document your thoughts on ''pental'' elsewhere (feel free to link there from here, though, because that would certainly be useful). --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 15:15, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Aura at 00:53, 9 June 2021

2021-06-09T00:53:34Z

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	: I would add that ''classic'' probably stands for the belief that, provided one intones sensitively and builds on perfect temperament, octaves, fifths and thirds can be harmonically reconciled within the bounds of 12 notes. Based on that, ''pental'' seems me to focus on the wrong thing. Maybe the Discord results should not be "glued" to the original statement this way. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 15:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)		: I would add that ''classic'' probably stands for the belief that, provided one intones sensitively and builds on perfect temperament, octaves, fifths and thirds can be harmonically reconciled within the bounds of 12 notes. Based on that, ''pental'' seems me to focus on the wrong thing. Maybe the Discord results should not be "glued" to the original statement this way. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 15:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

			:: For my part, I'm forced to say that there are multiple pental major thirds and multiple pental minor thirds. For example, both 5/4 and 164025/131072 are pental major thirds since both are 5-limit. As far as I'm concerned, "pental" by itself could refer to either of these, and "classic" by itself could easily be used to refer to 3-limit intervals just as easily as 5-limit intervals. --[[User:Aura\|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura\|talk]]) 00:53, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Xenwolf: /* "Classic pental" */ +1

2021-06-08T15:29:01Z

"Classic pental": +1

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	I don't understand what value the word "classic" has in the descriptor "classic pental". That is redundant. Why not just say "pental"? Therefore I'm concerned that with "classipent" you're just making up a word with no value. I have never heard anyone else use these terms. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 00:06, 8 June 2021 (UTC)		I don't understand what value the word "classic" has in the descriptor "classic pental". That is redundant. Why not just say "pental"? Therefore I'm concerned that with "classipent" you're just making up a word with no value. I have never heard anyone else use these terms. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 00:06, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

			: I would add that ''classic'' probably stands for the belief that, provided one intones sensitively and builds on perfect temperament, octaves, fifths and thirds can be harmonically reconciled within the bounds of 12 notes. Based on that, ''pental'' seems me to focus on the wrong thing. Maybe the Discord results should not be "glued" to the original statement this way. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 15:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Cmloegcmluin: Created page with "== "Classic pental" == I do not understand this recent change. If anyone is concerned that "classic" does not clearly convey the meaning "5-limit", they are free to use anoth..."

2021-06-08T00:06:01Z

Created page with "== "Classic pental" == I do not understand this recent change. If anyone is concerned that "classic" does not clearly convey the meaning "5-limit", they are free to use anoth..."

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== "Classic pental" ==

I do not understand this recent change. If anyone is concerned that "classic" does not clearly convey the meaning "5-limit", they are free to use another term. This page was intended only to capture the fact that this is what many people mean when they use the word "classic".

I don't understand what value the word "classic" has in the descriptor "classic pental". That is redundant. Why not just say "pental"? Therefore I'm concerned that with "classipent" you're just making up a word with no value. I have never heard anyone else use these terms. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 00:06, 8 June 2021 (UTC)