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		<title>Xenwolf: /* &quot;Degree&quot; vs. &quot;Degree of 17edo&quot; */ done.</title>
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		<updated>2020-07-10T15:38:00Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;Degree&amp;quot; vs. &amp;quot;Degree of 17edo&amp;quot;: &lt;/span&gt; done.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;: Sorry, I still don&amp;#039;t understand (there is no 1 in this column, only numbers from 2 to 11, what do you mean by tonic). I feel even more confused after the change. Do you maybe mean a kind of diatonic steps? In the wiki degree is in broad use for edo steps, exactly that what you now name &amp;quot;Steps o 17edo&amp;quot;. Why should we switch the terminology here? --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 12:13, 10 July 2020 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;: Sorry, I still don&amp;#039;t understand (there is no 1 in this column, only numbers from 2 to 11, what do you mean by tonic). I feel even more confused after the change. Do you maybe mean a kind of diatonic steps? In the wiki degree is in broad use for edo steps, exactly that what you now name &amp;quot;Steps o 17edo&amp;quot;. Why should we switch the terminology here? --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 12:13, 10 July 2020 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:: I finally found the meaning and tried to explain in footnotes. Hope it&#039;s correct. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 15:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Xenwolf</name></author>
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		<title>Xenwolf: /* &quot;Degree&quot; vs. &quot;Degree of 17edo&quot; */ ??</title>
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		<updated>2020-07-10T12:13:39Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;Degree&amp;quot; vs. &amp;quot;Degree of 17edo&amp;quot;: &lt;/span&gt; ??&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Changed second column to &amp;quot;Steps of 17edo&amp;quot;. (degree means 1 = tonic) [[User:IlL|IlL]] ([[User talk:IlL|talk]]) 11:52, 10 July 2020 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Changed second column to &amp;quot;Steps of 17edo&amp;quot;. (degree means 1 = tonic) [[User:IlL|IlL]] ([[User talk:IlL|talk]]) 11:52, 10 July 2020 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;: Sorry, I still don&#039;t understand (there is no 1 in this column, only numbers from 2 to 11, what do you mean by tonic). I feel even more confused after the change. Do you maybe mean a kind of diatonic steps? In the wiki degree is in broad use for edo steps, exactly that what you now name &quot;Steps o 17edo&quot;. Why should we switch the terminology here? --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 12:13, 10 July 2020 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Xenwolf</name></author>
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		<title>Inthar: /* &quot;Degree&quot; vs. &quot;Degree of 17edo&quot; */</title>
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		<updated>2020-07-10T11:52:04Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;Degree&amp;quot; vs. &amp;quot;Degree of 17edo&amp;quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The table in section [[17edo neutral scale #Interval chain]] starts with the headers &amp;quot;Degree&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Degree of 17edo&amp;quot;. The second is quite clear (multiply the &amp;quot;#Gens up&amp;quot; value by 5 and take the rest modulo 17). But what does &amp;quot;Degree&amp;quot; mean? Please add some clarification for it! Thanks in advance 🙂 --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 10:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The table in section [[17edo neutral scale #Interval chain]] starts with the headers &amp;quot;Degree&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Degree of 17edo&amp;quot;. The second is quite clear (multiply the &amp;quot;#Gens up&amp;quot; value by 5 and take the rest modulo 17). But what does &amp;quot;Degree&amp;quot; mean? Please add some clarification for it! Thanks in advance 🙂 --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 10:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Changed second column to &quot;Steps of 17edo&quot;. (degree means 1 = tonic) [[User:IlL|IlL]] ([[User talk:IlL|talk]]) 11:52, 10 July 2020 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Inthar</name></author>
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		<title>Xenwolf: /* &quot;Degree&quot; vs. &quot;Degree of 17edo&quot; */ new section</title>
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		<updated>2020-07-10T10:41:33Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;Degree&amp;quot; vs. &amp;quot;Degree of 17edo&amp;quot;: &lt;/span&gt; new section&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;== &amp;quot;Degree&amp;quot; vs. &amp;quot;Degree of 17edo&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The table in section [[17edo neutral scale #Interval chain]] starts with the headers &amp;quot;Degree&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Degree of 17edo&amp;quot;. The second is quite clear (multiply the &amp;quot;#Gens up&amp;quot; value by 5 and take the rest modulo 17). But what does &amp;quot;Degree&amp;quot; mean? Please add some clarification for it! Thanks in advance 🙂 --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 10:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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