Talk:17L 2s - Revision history

Lucius Chiaraviglio: /* Proposed revised table */ Temporary fix?

2025-05-12T07:50:14Z

Proposed revised table: Temporary fix?

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	\| Depth = 6		\| Depth = 6
	\| 5/4 = [[Pycnic]]		\| 5/4 = [[Pycnic]]
	\| 5/3 = [[Liesel]]		\| 4/3 = [[Liese]] (as 74d)
			\| 5/3 = [[Liesel]] (as 91ceef)
	\| 13/4 = [[Alphatricot family#Alphatrident\|Alphatricot/Alphatrident]]		\| 13/4 = [[Alphatricot family#Alphatrident\|Alphatricot/Alphatrident]]
	}}		}}
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	While adding links to the temperaments in the 2L 15s MOS tuning spectrum table, I noticed that [[Liesel]] seems misplaced — even though the largest EDO listed in its optimal ET sequence is 91edo, it is 91edo with a bunch of warts, including the 'f' wart when the 13th harmonic has under 30% relative error, and the largest patent val listed is 36edo. For now, I have reproduced its analogous position in the 17L 2s MOS tuning spectrum table, but this seems like it should be changed to appear at 2/1 (36edo).		While adding links to the temperaments in the 2L 15s MOS tuning spectrum table, I noticed that [[Liesel]] seems misplaced — even though the largest EDO listed in its optimal ET sequence is 91edo, it is 91edo with a bunch of warts, including the 'f' wart when the 13th harmonic has under 30% relative error, and the largest patent val listed is 36edo. For now, I have reproduced its analogous position in the 17L 2s MOS tuning spectrum table, but this seems like it should be changed to appear at 2/1 (36edo).

			As a temporary solution I added a note to the scale tree about all those warts, and added Liese temperament with a similar note; going to make this live shortly.

	Added: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 09:24, 4 May 2025 (UTC)<br>		Added: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 09:24, 4 May 2025 (UTC)<br>
	Last modified: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 08:39, 6 May 2025 (UTC)		Last modified: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 07:50, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

Lucius Chiaraviglio: /* Proposed revised table */ A bit more explanation about the warts on 91edo

2025-05-06T08:39:23Z

Proposed revised table: A bit more explanation about the warts on 91edo

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	Note that adding a column to the table is really needed to represent where Alphatricot hits its stride — some of the Alphatricot variants even hit their stride higher, but adding 2 more columns (initially tried this) starts bringing up EDOs for which no page exists yet.		Note that adding a column to the table is really needed to represent where Alphatricot hits its stride — some of the Alphatricot variants even hit their stride higher, but adding 2 more columns (initially tried this) starts bringing up EDOs for which no page exists yet.

	While adding links to the temperaments in the 2L 15s MOS tuning spectrum table, I noticed that [[Liesel]] seems misplaced — even though the largest EDO listed in its optimal ET sequence is 91edo, it is 91edo with a bunch of warts, and the largest patent val listed is 36edo. For now, I have reproduced its analogous position in the 17L&~~nbsp2s~~; MOS tuning spectrum table, but this seems like it should be changed to appear at 2/1 (36edo).		While adding links to the temperaments in the 2L 15s MOS tuning spectrum table, I noticed that [[Liesel]] seems misplaced — even though the largest EDO listed in its optimal ET sequence is 91edo, it is 91edo with a bunch of warts, including the 'f' wart when the 13th harmonic has under 30% relative error, and the largest patent val listed is 36edo. For now, I have reproduced its analogous position in the 17L 2s MOS tuning spectrum table, but this seems like it should be changed to appear at 2/1 (36edo).

	Added: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 09:24, 4 May 2025 (UTC)<br>		Added: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 09:24, 4 May 2025 (UTC)<br>
	Last modified: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 09:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)		Last modified: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 08:39, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Lucius Chiaraviglio: /* Proposed revised table */ Liesel seems misplaced

2025-05-04T09:36:12Z

Proposed revised table: Liesel seems misplaced

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	Note that adding a column to the table is really needed to represent where Alphatricot hits its stride — some of the Alphatricot variants even hit their stride higher, but adding 2 more columns (initially tried this) starts bringing up EDOs for which no page exists yet.		Note that adding a column to the table is really needed to represent where Alphatricot hits its stride — some of the Alphatricot variants even hit their stride higher, but adding 2 more columns (initially tried this) starts bringing up EDOs for which no page exists yet.

	[[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 09:24, 4 May 2025 (UTC)		While adding links to the temperaments in the 2L 15s MOS tuning spectrum table, I noticed that [[Liesel]] seems misplaced — even though the largest EDO listed in its optimal ET sequence is 91edo, it is 91edo with a bunch of warts, and the largest patent val listed is 36edo. For now, I have reproduced its analogous position in the 17L&nbsp2s; MOS tuning spectrum table, but this seems like it should be changed to appear at 2/1 (36edo).

			Added: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 09:24, 4 May 2025 (UTC)<br>
			Last modified: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 09:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Lucius Chiaraviglio: Internal links still don't look right — I think I finally got them right

2025-05-04T09:24:39Z

Internal links still don't look right — I think I finally got them right

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	I am going to try to see if this will work. Using this as a staging area to make sure I get the template parameters right rather than experiment on the real page and botch the whole thing:		I am going to try to see if this will work. Using this as a staging area to make sure I get the template parameters right rather than experiment on the real page and botch the whole thing:

	''{Table revised and [[Talk:17L_2s#Proposed_revised_table]] ~~moved down~~}''		''{Table revised and [[Talk:17L_2s#Proposed_revised_table\|moved down]]}''

	Well, it seems to work despite me not being able to figure out how to tell MOS tuning spectrum what the MOS is (extracts from the page it is embedded in? — but this is a Talk page), but I had better leave this for a bit for review before committing it to the real page. (This is for review of the Comment entries I put in the table from the music theory perspective, as well as making sure that this displays properly on other people's computers.)		Well, it seems to work despite me not being able to figure out how to tell MOS tuning spectrum what the MOS is (extracts from the page it is embedded in? — but this is a Talk page), but I had better leave this for a bit for review before committing it to the real page. (This is for review of the Comment entries I put in the table from the music theory perspective, as well as making sure that this displays properly on other people's computers.)
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	==== Proposed revised table ====		==== Proposed revised table ====
	''{Moved here from [[Talk:17L_2s#Alphatricot/Alphatrident]] ~~original post~~''		''{Moved here from [[Talk:17L_2s#Alphatricot/Alphatrident\|original post]]}''

	Copying in the temperaments listed on the soft half of the [[2L 15s]] table, and adding another column to this table to match that one:		Copying in the temperaments listed on the soft half of the [[2L 15s]] table, and adding another column to this table to match that one:
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	Note that adding a column to the table is really needed to represent where Alphatricot hits its stride — some of the Alphatricot variants even hit their stride higher, but adding 2 more columns (initially tried this) starts bringing up EDOs for which no page exists yet.		Note that adding a column to the table is really needed to represent where Alphatricot hits its stride — some of the Alphatricot variants even hit their stride higher, but adding 2 more columns (initially tried this) starts bringing up EDOs for which no page exists yet.

	[[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 09:19, 4 May 2025 (UTC)		[[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 09:24, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Lucius Chiaraviglio: Fix broken formatting

2025-05-04T09:20:28Z

Fix broken formatting

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	I am going to try to see if this will work. Using this as a staging area to make sure I get the template parameters right rather than experiment on the real page and botch the whole thing:		I am going to try to see if this will work. Using this as a staging area to make sure I get the template parameters right rather than experiment on the real page and botch the whole thing:

	{Table revised and ''[[Talk:17L_2s#Proposed_revised_table]] moved down}''		''{Table revised and [[Talk:17L_2s#Proposed_revised_table]] moved down}''

	Well, it seems to work despite me not being able to figure out how to tell MOS tuning spectrum what the MOS is (extracts from the page it is embedded in? — but this is a Talk page), but I had better leave this for a bit for review before committing it to the real page. (This is for review of the Comment entries I put in the table from the music theory perspective, as well as making sure that this displays properly on other people's computers.)		Well, it seems to work despite me not being able to figure out how to tell MOS tuning spectrum what the MOS is (extracts from the page it is embedded in? — but this is a Talk page), but I had better leave this for a bit for review before committing it to the real page. (This is for review of the Comment entries I put in the table from the music theory perspective, as well as making sure that this displays properly on other people's computers.)

Lucius Chiaraviglio: Fix broken internal links

2025-05-04T09:19:37Z

Fix broken internal links

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	I am going to try to see if this will work. Using this as a staging area to make sure I get the template parameters right rather than experiment on the real page and botch the whole thing:		I am going to try to see if this will work. Using this as a staging area to make sure I get the template parameters right rather than experiment on the real page and botch the whole thing:

	{Table revised and ''[~~http://~~Talk:17L_2s#Proposed_revised_table moved down]}''		{Table revised and ''[[Talk:17L_2s#Proposed_revised_table]] moved down}''

	Well, it seems to work despite me not being able to figure out how to tell MOS tuning spectrum what the MOS is (extracts from the page it is embedded in? — but this is a Talk page), but I had better leave this for a bit for review before committing it to the real page. (This is for review of the Comment entries I put in the table from the music theory perspective, as well as making sure that this displays properly on other people's computers.)		Well, it seems to work despite me not being able to figure out how to tell MOS tuning spectrum what the MOS is (extracts from the page it is embedded in? — but this is a Talk page), but I had better leave this for a bit for review before committing it to the real page. (This is for review of the Comment entries I put in the table from the music theory perspective, as well as making sure that this displays properly on other people's computers.)
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	==== Proposed revised table ====		==== Proposed revised table ====
	''{Moved here from [~~http://~~Talk:17L_2s#Alphatricot/Alphatrident original post]''		''{Moved here from [[Talk:17L_2s#Alphatricot/Alphatrident]] original post''

	Copying in the temperaments listed on the soft half of the [[2L 15s]] table, and adding another column to this table to match that one:		Copying in the temperaments listed on the soft half of the [[2L 15s]] table, and adding another column to this table to match that one:
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	Note that adding a column to the table is really needed to represent where Alphatricot hits its stride — some of the Alphatricot variants even hit their stride higher, but adding 2 more columns (initially tried this) starts bringing up EDOs for which no page exists yet.		Note that adding a column to the table is really needed to represent where Alphatricot hits its stride — some of the Alphatricot variants even hit their stride higher, but adding 2 more columns (initially tried this) starts bringing up EDOs for which no page exists yet.

	[[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 09:16, 4 May 2025 (UTC)		[[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 09:19, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Lucius Chiaraviglio: Copying in the temperaments listed on the soft half of the 2L 15s table, and adding another column to this table to match that one

2025-05-04T09:16:50Z

Copying in the temperaments listed on the soft half of the 2L 15s table, and adding another column to this table to match that one

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 I am going to try to see if this will work.  Using this as a staging area to make sure I get the template parameters right rather than experiment on the real page and botch the whole thing:
-{{MOS tuning spectrum
+{Table revised and ''[http://Talk:17L_2s#Proposed_revised_table moved down]}''
 Well, it seems to work despite me not being able to figure out how to tell MOS tuning spectrum what the MOS is (extracts from the page it is embedded in? &mdash; but this is a Talk page), but I had better leave this for a bit for review before committing it to the real page.  (This is for review of the Comment entries I put in the table from the music theory perspective, as well as making sure that this displays properly on other people's computers.)
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Lucius Chiaraviglio: /* Proposed revised introduction section */ Minor fix

2025-05-03T08:55:49Z

Proposed revised introduction section: Minor fix

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	: Mostly added this intro to the page, though I made the change of including 75/52 as a good rational interpretation. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 05:20, 3 May 2025 (UTC)		: Mostly added this intro to the page, though I made the change of including 75/52 as a good rational interpretation. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 05:20, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

	:: I was thinking about ~[[75/52]] a while back, but didn't pursue it because of the triple compounding in the numerator (including 5♯.5♭), but I'll look into it some more to see how well it performs. Might as well also do this for ~[[49/34]] (now only double compounding in the numerator, as 7♯.7♭).		:: I was thinking about ~[[75/52]] a while back, but didn't pursue it because of the triple compounding in the numerator (including 5♯.5♭), but I'll look into it some more to see how well it performs. Might as well also do this for ~[[49/34]] (now only double compounding in the numerator, as ...7♯.7♭... or ...7.49...).
	:: And what do you think about putting the (so far just one) temperament in the MOS tuning spectrum table?		:: And what do you think about putting the (so far just one) temperament in the MOS tuning spectrum table?
	:: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 07:59, 3 May 2025 (UTC)<br>		:: Added: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 07:59, 3 May 2025 (UTC)<br>
	:: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 08:54, 3 May 2025 (UTC)		:: Last modified: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 08:55, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

Lucius Chiaraviglio: /* Proposed revised introduction section */ Might as well check out ~49/34 as well

2025-05-03T08:54:26Z

Proposed revised introduction section: Might as well check out ~49/34 as well

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	: Mostly added this intro to the page, though I made the change of including 75/52 as a good rational interpretation. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 05:20, 3 May 2025 (UTC)		: Mostly added this intro to the page, though I made the change of including 75/52 as a good rational interpretation. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 05:20, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

	:: I was thinking about ~[[75/52]] a while back, but didn't pursue it because of the triple compounding in the numerator, but I'll look into it some more to see how well it performs.		:: I was thinking about ~[[75/52]] a while back, but didn't pursue it because of the triple compounding in the numerator (including 5♯.5♭), but I'll look into it some more to see how well it performs. Might as well also do this for ~[[49/34]] (now only double compounding in the numerator, as 7♯.7♭).
	:: And what do you think about putting the (so far just one) temperament in the MOS tuning spectrum table?		:: And what do you think about putting the (so far just one) temperament in the MOS tuning spectrum table?
	:: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 07:59, 3 May 2025 (UTC)		:: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 07:59, 3 May 2025 (UTC)<br>
			:: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 08:54, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

Lucius Chiaraviglio: /* Proposed revised introduction section */ 75/52 as a generator, putting temperament in MOS tuning spectrum table

2025-05-03T07:59:48Z

Proposed revised introduction section: 75/52 as a generator, putting temperament in MOS tuning spectrum table

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	: Mostly added this intro to the page, though I made the change of including 75/52 as a good rational interpretation. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 05:20, 3 May 2025 (UTC)		: Mostly added this intro to the page, though I made the change of including 75/52 as a good rational interpretation. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 05:20, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

			:: I was thinking about ~[[75/52]] a while back, but didn't pursue it because of the triple compounding in the numerator, but I'll look into it some more to see how well it performs.
			:: And what do you think about putting the (so far just one) temperament in the MOS tuning spectrum table?
			:: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 07:59, 3 May 2025 (UTC)