https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3A144%2F125Talk:144/125 - Revision history2026-08-02T05:38:00ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.43.6https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:144/125&diff=50429&oldid=prevAura at 20:49, 27 September 20202020-09-27T20:49:10Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The idea of tempering out such a big comma confuses me. I read the [[University temperament]] article, I heard the piece. Which actually seems to be in a tuning near [[21edo]]. Isn't this just an error in nomenclature? I appreciate any help for better understanding. Thanks --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The idea of tempering out such a big comma confuses me. I read the [[University temperament]] article, I heard the piece. Which actually seems to be in a tuning near [[21edo]]. Isn't this just an error in nomenclature? I appreciate any help for better understanding. Thanks --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The idea of tempering out such a big comma confuses me. I read the [[University temperament]] article, I heard the piece. Which actually seems to be in a tuning near [[21edo]]. Isn't this just an error in nomenclature? I appreciate any help for better understanding. Thanks --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The idea of tempering out such a big comma confuses me. I read the [[University temperament]] article, I heard the piece. Which actually seems to be in a tuning near [[21edo]]. Isn't this just an error in nomenclature? I appreciate any help for better understanding. Thanks --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The idea of tempering out such a big comma confuses me. I read the [[University temperament]] article, I heard the piece. Which actually seems to be in a tuning near [[21edo]]. Isn't this just an error in nomenclature? I appreciate any help for better understanding. Thanks --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The idea of tempering out such a big comma confuses me. I read the [[University temperament]] article, I heard the piece. Which actually seems to be in a tuning near [[21edo]]. Isn't this just an error in nomenclature? I appreciate any help for better understanding. Thanks --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The idea of tempering out such a big comma confuses me. I read the [[University temperament]] article, I heard the piece. Which actually seems to be in a tuning near [[21edo]]. Isn't this just an error in nomenclature? I appreciate any help for better understanding. Thanks --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The idea of tempering out such a big comma confuses me. I read the [[University temperament]] article, I heard the piece. Which actually seems to be in a tuning near [[21edo]]. Isn't this just an error in nomenclature? I appreciate any help for better understanding. Thanks --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Aurahttps://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:144/125&diff=50409&oldid=prevXenwolf: /* Classic diminished third? */ re2020-09-27T19:51:02Z<p><span class="autocomment">Classic diminished third?: </span> re</p>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::: Ah, great this is of help for you 🙂 - what I think is that [[144/125]] is definitely not ''the'' classic diminished third as well as the whole 5<sup>&plusmn;3</sup> [[User:Xenwolf/Interval quartet|interval quartet]] of d6, A3, d3, A6 isn't "classic". --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 19:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The idea of tempering out such a big comma confuses me. I read the [[University temperament]] article, I heard the piece. Which actually seems to be in a tuning near [[21edo]]. Isn't this just an error in nomenclature? I appreciate any help for better understanding. Thanks --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The idea of tempering out such a big comma confuses me. I read the [[University temperament]] article, I heard the piece. Which actually seems to be in a tuning near [[21edo]]. Isn't this just an error in nomenclature? I appreciate any help for better understanding. Thanks --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
</table>Xenwolfhttps://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:144/125&diff=50407&oldid=prevAura at 18:51, 27 September 20202020-09-27T18:51:38Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::: I can definitely show you a good example of a [[256/225]] diminished third in action, however, the best examples of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">this </del>seem to show up in Neapolitan modes, and these are tricky to work with even in 12edo, never mind in Just Intonation. Still, while I need to get things straightened on my end, I have to thank the two of you for giving me an idea for how to improve a certain piece I'm writing at the moment- a long song steeped in an approximation of 159edo. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 18:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::: I can definitely show you a good example of a [[256/225]] diminished third in action, however, the best examples of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">diminished thirds in general </ins>seem to show up in Neapolitan modes, and these are tricky to work with even in 12edo, never mind in Just Intonation. Still, while I need to get things straightened on my end, I have to thank the two of you for giving me an idea for how to improve a certain piece I'm writing at the moment- a long song steeped in an approximation of 159edo. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 18:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The idea of tempering out such a big comma confuses me. I read the [[University temperament]] article, I heard the piece. Which actually seems to be in a tuning near [[21edo]]. Isn't this just an error in nomenclature? I appreciate any help for better understanding. Thanks --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The idea of tempering out such a big comma confuses me. I read the [[University temperament]] article, I heard the piece. Which actually seems to be in a tuning near [[21edo]]. Isn't this just an error in nomenclature? I appreciate any help for better understanding. Thanks --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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