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Overthink: /* Detemperaments */ reply

2026-06-06T05:28:46Z

Detemperaments: reply

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	: Surprisingly [[duodene]] is not mentioned anywhere currently! I want to add it but not sure which section is most relevant. – [[User:Sintel\|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel\|talk]]) 16:29, 5 June 2026 (UTC)		: Surprisingly [[duodene]] is not mentioned anywhere currently! I want to add it but not sure which section is most relevant. – [[User:Sintel\|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel\|talk]]) 16:29, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

			:: I just inserted it into the commas part of the theory section. --[[User:Overthink\|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink\|talk]]) 05:28, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Sintel: duodene

2026-06-05T16:29:11Z

duodene

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	:::: These are given in ''List of 12et rank two temperaments by complexity'' and ''List of 12et rank two temperaments by badness''. Both are well curated lists and are linked at the start of the rank-2 temperaments section. So plz don't make more duplicate contents. We've had too many of them already. —[[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 21:19, 2 June 2026 (UTC) (updated [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 21:33, 2 June 2026 (UTC))		:::: These are given in ''List of 12et rank two temperaments by complexity'' and ''List of 12et rank two temperaments by badness''. Both are well curated lists and are linked at the start of the rank-2 temperaments section. So plz don't make more duplicate contents. We've had too many of them already. —[[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 21:19, 2 June 2026 (UTC) (updated [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 21:33, 2 June 2026 (UTC))

			: Surprisingly [[duodene]] is not mentioned anywhere currently! I want to add it but not sure which section is most relevant. – [[User:Sintel\|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel\|talk]]) 16:29, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

FloraC: /* Detemperaments */

2026-06-02T21:33:37Z

Detemperaments

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	::: Put my vote in for making the reader's life easier, although maybe organized further into sub-sections so that a reader that doesn't want all that can skip it without worrying they missed something else, while a reader who wants it can find it easily. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 20:39, 2 June 2026 (UTC)		::: Put my vote in for making the reader's life easier, although maybe organized further into sub-sections so that a reader that doesn't want all that can skip it without worrying they missed something else, while a reader who wants it can find it easily. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 20:39, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

	:::: These are given in ''List of 12et rank two temperaments by complexity'' and ''List of 12et rank two temperaments by badness''. Both are well curated lists and are linked at the start of the rank-2 temperaments section. ~~Don~~'t make duplicate contents. —[[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 21:19, 2 June 2026 (UTC)		:::: These are given in ''List of 12et rank two temperaments by complexity'' and ''List of 12et rank two temperaments by badness''. Both are well curated lists and are linked at the start of the rank-2 temperaments section. So plz don't make more duplicate contents. We've had too many of them already. —[[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 21:19, 2 June 2026 (UTC) (updated [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 21:33, 2 June 2026 (UTC))

FloraC: /* Detemperaments */ re

2026-06-02T21:20:09Z

Detemperaments: re

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	::: Put my vote in for making the reader's life easier, although maybe organized further into sub-sections so that a reader that doesn't want all that can skip it without worrying they missed something else, while a reader who wants it can find it easily. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 20:39, 2 June 2026 (UTC)		::: Put my vote in for making the reader's life easier, although maybe organized further into sub-sections so that a reader that doesn't want all that can skip it without worrying they missed something else, while a reader who wants it can find it easily. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 20:39, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

			:::: These are given in ''List of 12et rank two temperaments by complexity'' and ''List of 12et rank two temperaments by badness''. Both are well curated lists and are linked at the start of the rank-2 temperaments section. Don't make duplicate contents. —[[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 21:19, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Lucius Chiaraviglio: /* Detemperaments */ Milled flour

2026-06-02T20:39:59Z

Detemperaments: Milled flour

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	:: Disagree, if anything, continua have a lot of chaff. Schismic/garibaldi/helmholtz, meantone, diaschismic, compton, definitely wheat. Misty, atomic, possibly wheat. The rest is arguably mid. Don't make the reader sort through pages of continua... give them the flour already milled! If they want to explore more, that's fine. As it stood before in my last edit, I believe that's a good list of A-tier 12edo specific detemperaments, which are also solid or extremely good temps either way. --[[User:Eufalesio\|Eufalesio]] ([[User talk:Eufalesio\|talk]]) 18:33, 2 June 2026 (UTC)		:: Disagree, if anything, continua have a lot of chaff. Schismic/garibaldi/helmholtz, meantone, diaschismic, compton, definitely wheat. Misty, atomic, possibly wheat. The rest is arguably mid. Don't make the reader sort through pages of continua... give them the flour already milled! If they want to explore more, that's fine. As it stood before in my last edit, I believe that's a good list of A-tier 12edo specific detemperaments, which are also solid or extremely good temps either way. --[[User:Eufalesio\|Eufalesio]] ([[User talk:Eufalesio\|talk]]) 18:33, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

			::: Put my vote in for making the reader's life easier, although maybe organized further into sub-sections so that a reader that doesn't want all that can skip it without worrying they missed something else, while a reader who wants it can find it easily. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 20:39, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Eufalesio: /* Detemperaments */

2026-06-02T18:33:07Z

Detemperaments

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	: It's still a select bunch of great detemps, but without bloat. And with clear guidance for where to find more. —[[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 17:21, 2 June 2026 (UTC)		: It's still a select bunch of great detemps, but without bloat. And with clear guidance for where to find more. —[[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 17:21, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

			:: Disagree, if anything, continua have a lot of chaff. Schismic/garibaldi/helmholtz, meantone, diaschismic, compton, definitely wheat. Misty, atomic, possibly wheat. The rest is arguably mid. Don't make the reader sort through pages of continua... give them the flour already milled! If they want to explore more, that's fine. As it stood before in my last edit, I believe that's a good list of A-tier 12edo specific detemperaments, which are also solid or extremely good temps either way. --[[User:Eufalesio\|Eufalesio]] ([[User talk:Eufalesio\|talk]]) 18:33, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

FloraC: Re

2026-06-02T17:22:01Z

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	== Detemperaments ==		== Detemperaments ==
			Why compress useful detemperaments to a tiny paragraph? Why no rank 3? I doubt that the continuum is is more useful than a select bunch of great detemps. --[[User:Eufalesio\|Eufalesio]] ([[User talk:Eufalesio\|talk]]) 11:09, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

	~~Why compress useful detemperaments to a tiny paragraph? Why no rank 3? I doubt that the continuum is is more useful than~~ a select bunch of great detemps. --[[User:~~Eufalesio~~\|~~Eufalesio~~]] ([[User talk:~~Eufalesio~~\|talk]]) 11:09, 2 June 2026 (UTC)		: It's still a select bunch of great detemps, but without bloat. And with clear guidance for where to find more. —[[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 17:21, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Eufalesio at 11:10, 2 June 2026

2026-06-02T11:10:04Z

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	: Yeah this is BS. Will remove it – [[User:Sintel\|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel\|talk]]) 14:38, 3 August 2025 (UTC)		: Yeah this is BS. Will remove it – [[User:Sintel\|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel\|talk]]) 14:38, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

			== Detemperaments ==

			Why compress useful detemperaments to a tiny paragraph? Why no rank 3? I doubt that the continuum is is more useful than a select bunch of great detemps. --[[User:Eufalesio\|Eufalesio]] ([[User talk:Eufalesio\|talk]]) 11:09, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Sintel at 14:38, 3 August 2025

2025-08-03T14:38:47Z

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	[[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 15:33, 2 August 2025 (UTC)		[[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 15:33, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

			: Yeah this is BS. Will remove it – [[User:Sintel\|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel\|talk]]) 14:38, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

FloraC at 15:33, 2 August 2025

2025-08-02T15:33:02Z

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			== Picardy thirds example ==
			> Picardy thirds became less common, likely due to the stability of 16:19:24, 12edo's minor triad.

			Sounds like a bit of a stretch. Other plausible explanations I can think of include the less pure major triad making the two triads more balanced, or plain aesthetic shifts that have little to do with tuning.

			I'm not sure if we wanna go over this level of detail and be this assertive about 12edo's historical influence on music styles.

			[[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 15:33, 2 August 2025 (UTC)