Talk:1024/1023 - Revision history

Frostburn: /* Kilobyte comma is not a good name. */

2024-03-06T16:42:11Z

Kilobyte comma is not a good name.

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	: I should add that the [[megabyte comma]] doesn't have this problem because 1048576/1048575 is fairly low-prime-limit ([[41-limit]] specifically) while 1048577 = 17 * 61681. However if this comma gets renamed to "kibibyte" then definitely that comma should get renamed to "mebibyte" for consistency. --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 16:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC)		: I should add that the [[megabyte comma]] doesn't have this problem because 1048576/1048575 is fairly low-prime-limit ([[41-limit]] specifically) while 1048577 = 17 * 61681. However if this comma gets renamed to "kibibyte" then definitely that comma should get renamed to "mebibyte" for consistency. --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 16:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
	: Should it matter, I think the prefix "kibi" could be used alone, without the "byte" reference, to give a shorter name like "kibisma" or "kibi-comma". This might help reduce the confusion with the more obvious 1024/1000 ratio one might be tempted to think about here. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 02:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)		: Should it matter, I think the prefix "kibi" could be used alone, without the "byte" reference, to give a shorter name like "kibisma" or "kibi-comma". This might help reduce the confusion with the more obvious 1024/1000 ratio one might be tempted to think about here. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 02:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
			: That's an excellent point! --[[User:Frostburn\|Frostburn]] ([[User talk:Frostburn\|talk]]) 16:42, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Fredg999: Formatting, reply

2024-03-06T02:38:32Z

Formatting, reply

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	: I agree that ''kilobyte comma'' can be a bit confusing but I object to ''quartertonisma'' since 1156/1155 is already ''quadrantonisma'' and it's inelegant to have such a similar name deriving from on the same reason. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 15:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)		: I agree that ''kilobyte comma'' can be a bit confusing but I object to ''quartertonisma'' since 1156/1155 is already ''quadrantonisma'' and it's inelegant to have such a similar name deriving from on the same reason. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 15:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

	: I would be willing to accept "kibibyte comma" as a compromise. --[[User:Frostburn\|Frostburn]] ([[User talk:Frostburn\|talk]]) 15:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)		: I would be willing to accept "kibibyte comma" as a compromise. --[[User:Frostburn\|Frostburn]] ([[User talk:Frostburn\|talk]]) 15:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

	: "Kibibyte" is good enough for me too, it at least makes it less confusing. I raised issue with the current name because there are [[Temperament_naming#Temperament_and_comma_naming_conventions\|strong reasons]] for renaming this comma. I do think it'd be more ideal to have a name based on the musical/harmonic implications of tempering the comma out though. --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)		: "Kibibyte" is good enough for me too, it at least makes it less confusing. I raised issue with the current name because there are [[Temperament_naming#Temperament_and_comma_naming_conventions\|strong reasons]] for renaming this comma. I do think it'd be more ideal to have a name based on the musical/harmonic implications of tempering the comma out though. --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

	: I should add that the [[megabyte comma]] doesn't have this problem because 1048576/1048575 is fairly low-prime-limit ([[41-limit]] specifically) while 1048577 = 17 * 61681. However if this comma gets renamed to "kibibyte" then definitely that comma should get renamed to "mebibyte" for consistency. --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 16:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC)		: I should add that the [[megabyte comma]] doesn't have this problem because 1048576/1048575 is fairly low-prime-limit ([[41-limit]] specifically) while 1048577 = 17 * 61681. However if this comma gets renamed to "kibibyte" then definitely that comma should get renamed to "mebibyte" for consistency. --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 16:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
			: Should it matter, I think the prefix "kibi" could be used alone, without the "byte" reference, to give a shorter name like "kibisma" or "kibi-comma". This might help reduce the confusion with the more obvious 1024/1000 ratio one might be tempted to think about here. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 02:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Godtone: note about megabyte -> mebibyte comma

2024-03-05T16:38:20Z

note about megabyte -> mebibyte comma

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	: "Kibibyte" is good enough for me too, it at least makes it less confusing. I raised issue with the current name because there are [[Temperament_naming#Temperament_and_comma_naming_conventions\|strong reasons]] for renaming this comma. I do think it'd be more ideal to have a name based on the musical/harmonic implications of tempering the comma out though. --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)		: "Kibibyte" is good enough for me too, it at least makes it less confusing. I raised issue with the current name because there are [[Temperament_naming#Temperament_and_comma_naming_conventions\|strong reasons]] for renaming this comma. I do think it'd be more ideal to have a name based on the musical/harmonic implications of tempering the comma out though. --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

			: I should add that the [[megabyte comma]] doesn't have this problem because 1048576/1048575 is fairly low-prime-limit ([[41-limit]] specifically) while 1048577 = 17 * 61681. However if this comma gets renamed to "kibibyte" then definitely that comma should get renamed to "mebibyte" for consistency. --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 16:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Godtone: add emphasis on there being strong reasons to rename

2024-03-05T15:32:33Z

add emphasis on there being strong reasons to rename

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	: I would be willing to accept "kibibyte comma" as a compromise. --[[User:Frostburn\|Frostburn]] ([[User talk:Frostburn\|talk]]) 15:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)		: I would be willing to accept "kibibyte comma" as a compromise. --[[User:Frostburn\|Frostburn]] ([[User talk:Frostburn\|talk]]) 15:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

			: "Kibibyte" is good enough for me too, it at least makes it less confusing. I raised issue with the current name because there are [[Temperament_naming#Temperament_and_comma_naming_conventions\|strong reasons]] for renaming this comma. I do think it'd be more ideal to have a name based on the musical/harmonic implications of tempering the comma out though. --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Frostburn at 15:18, 5 March 2024

2024-03-05T15:18:38Z

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	: I agree that ''kilobyte comma'' can be a bit confusing but I object to ''quartertonisma'' since 1156/1155 is already ''quadrantonisma'' and it's inelegant to have such a similar name deriving from on the same reason. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 15:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)		: I agree that ''kilobyte comma'' can be a bit confusing but I object to ''quartertonisma'' since 1156/1155 is already ''quadrantonisma'' and it's inelegant to have such a similar name deriving from on the same reason. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 15:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

			: I would be willing to accept "kibibyte comma" as a compromise. --[[User:Frostburn\|Frostburn]] ([[User talk:Frostburn\|talk]]) 15:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

FloraC: re

2024-03-05T15:17:34Z

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	== Kilobyte comma is not a good name. ==		== Kilobyte comma is not a good name. ==
	Not only because the "kilobyte comma" is obviously [[128/125]] = 1024/1000, making this name ''very'' counterintuitive, but also because this comma should be named something based on its musical implication, which is also quite obvious so it's honestly sort of puzzling to me that it wasn't named something based on the fact that it's equal to ([[32/31]])/([[33/32]]), representing an essentially-tempered stack of two (slightly large) quarter-tones (which can be revoiced to not be directly adjacent for greater consonance/musicality). I strongly suggest either the "quarter-tone ambiharmonisma" (importantly also see [[Talk:1025/1024]]) or maybe "lesser quartertonisma" if it's not reserved, under the reasoning that then ([[31/30]])/([[32/31]]) would be the "greater quartertonisma" (given that those commas introduce [[32/31]] to the [[11-limit]] and [[5-limit]] (respectively) by representing its function as a type of quarter-tone, and given that [[1089/1088]], [[1156/1155]] and [[1225/1224]] - the other obvious quarter-tone commas (being S33, S34 and S35 resp.) - all already have reasonable enough names and correspond to smaller prime limits, while these two commas are concerning 31 specifically). --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 14:53, 5 March 2024 (UTC)		Not only because the "kilobyte comma" is obviously [[128/125]] = 1024/1000, making this name ''very'' counterintuitive, but also because this comma should be named something based on its musical implication, which is also quite obvious so it's honestly sort of puzzling to me that it wasn't named something based on the fact that it's equal to ([[32/31]])/([[33/32]]), representing an essentially-tempered stack of two (slightly large) quarter-tones (which can be revoiced to not be directly adjacent for greater consonance/musicality). I strongly suggest either the "quarter-tone ambiharmonisma" (importantly also see [[Talk:1025/1024]]) or maybe "lesser quartertonisma" if it's not reserved, under the reasoning that then ([[31/30]])/([[32/31]]) would be the "greater quartertonisma" (given that those commas introduce [[32/31]] to the [[11-limit]] and [[5-limit]] (respectively) by representing its function as a type of quarter-tone, and given that [[1089/1088]], [[1156/1155]] and [[1225/1224]] - the other obvious quarter-tone commas (being S33, S34 and S35 resp.) - all already have reasonable enough names and correspond to smaller prime limits, while these two commas are concerning 31 specifically). --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 14:53, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

			: I agree that ''kilobyte comma'' can be a bit confusing but I object to ''quartertonisma'' since 1156/1155 is already ''quadrantonisma'' and it's inelegant to have such a similar name deriving from on the same reason. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 15:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

FloraC: FloraC moved page Talk:Kilobyte comma to Talk:1024/1023: A 4-digit ratio can be a title

2024-03-05T15:15:32Z

FloraC moved page Talk:Kilobyte comma to Talk:1024/1023: A 4-digit ratio can be a title

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Godtone: address concerns of bad name

2024-03-05T14:53:07Z

address concerns of bad name

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== Kilobyte comma is not a good name. ==
Not only because the "kilobyte comma" is obviously [[128/125]] = 1024/1000, making this name ''very'' counterintuitive, but also because this comma should be named something based on its musical implication, which is also quite obvious so it's honestly sort of puzzling to me that it wasn't named something based on the fact that it's equal to ([[32/31]])/([[33/32]]), representing an essentially-tempered stack of two (slightly large) quarter-tones (which can be revoiced to not be directly adjacent for greater consonance/musicality). I strongly suggest either the "quarter-tone ambiharmonisma" (importantly also see [[Talk:1025/1024]]) or maybe "lesser quartertonisma" if it's not reserved, under the reasoning that then ([[31/30]])/([[32/31]]) would be the "greater quartertonisma" (given that those commas introduce [[32/31]] to the [[11-limit]] and [[5-limit]] (respectively) by representing its function as a type of quarter-tone, and given that [[1089/1088]], [[1156/1155]] and [[1225/1224]] - the other obvious quarter-tone commas (being S33, S34 and S35 resp.) - all already have reasonable enough names and correspond to smaller prime limits, while these two commas are concerning 31 specifically). --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 14:53, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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	: I should add that the [[megabyte comma]] doesn't have this problem because 1048576/1048575 is fairly low-prime-limit ([[41-limit]] specifically) while 1048577 = 17 * 61681. However if this comma gets renamed to "kibibyte" then definitely that comma should get renamed to "mebibyte" for consistency. --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 16:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC)		: I should add that the [[megabyte comma]] doesn't have this problem because 1048576/1048575 is fairly low-prime-limit ([[41-limit]] specifically) while 1048577 = 17 * 61681. However if this comma gets renamed to "kibibyte" then definitely that comma should get renamed to "mebibyte" for consistency. --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 16:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
	: Should it matter, I think the prefix "kibi" could be used alone, without the "byte" reference, to give a shorter name like "kibisma" or "kibi-comma". This might help reduce the confusion with the more obvious 1024/1000 ratio one might be tempted to think about here. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 02:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)		: Should it matter, I think the prefix "kibi" could be used alone, without the "byte" reference, to give a shorter name like "kibisma" or "kibi-comma". This might help reduce the confusion with the more obvious 1024/1000 ratio one might be tempted to think about here. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 02:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
			: That's an excellent point! --[[User:Frostburn\|Frostburn]] ([[User talk:Frostburn\|talk]]) 16:42, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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	: I agree that ''kilobyte comma'' can be a bit confusing but I object to ''quartertonisma'' since 1156/1155 is already ''quadrantonisma'' and it's inelegant to have such a similar name deriving from on the same reason. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 15:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)		: I agree that ''kilobyte comma'' can be a bit confusing but I object to ''quartertonisma'' since 1156/1155 is already ''quadrantonisma'' and it's inelegant to have such a similar name deriving from on the same reason. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 15:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

	: I would be willing to accept "kibibyte comma" as a compromise. --[[User:Frostburn\|Frostburn]] ([[User talk:Frostburn\|talk]]) 15:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)		: I would be willing to accept "kibibyte comma" as a compromise. --[[User:Frostburn\|Frostburn]] ([[User talk:Frostburn\|talk]]) 15:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

	: "Kibibyte" is good enough for me too, it at least makes it less confusing. I raised issue with the current name because there are [[Temperament_naming#Temperament_and_comma_naming_conventions\|strong reasons]] for renaming this comma. I do think it'd be more ideal to have a name based on the musical/harmonic implications of tempering the comma out though. --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)		: "Kibibyte" is good enough for me too, it at least makes it less confusing. I raised issue with the current name because there are [[Temperament_naming#Temperament_and_comma_naming_conventions\|strong reasons]] for renaming this comma. I do think it'd be more ideal to have a name based on the musical/harmonic implications of tempering the comma out though. --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 15:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

	: I should add that the [[megabyte comma]] doesn't have this problem because 1048576/1048575 is fairly low-prime-limit ([[41-limit]] specifically) while 1048577 = 17 * 61681. However if this comma gets renamed to "kibibyte" then definitely that comma should get renamed to "mebibyte" for consistency. --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 16:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC)		: I should add that the [[megabyte comma]] doesn't have this problem because 1048576/1048575 is fairly low-prime-limit ([[41-limit]] specifically) while 1048577 = 17 * 61681. However if this comma gets renamed to "kibibyte" then definitely that comma should get renamed to "mebibyte" for consistency. --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 16:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
			: Should it matter, I think the prefix "kibi" could be used alone, without the "byte" reference, to give a shorter name like "kibisma" or "kibi-comma". This might help reduce the confusion with the more obvious 1024/1000 ratio one might be tempted to think about here. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 02:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)