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	The '''relative cent''' (symbol: '''r¢''', '''rct''', '''¢<sub>~~EDO~~</sub>''') is a [[unit of interval size]] based on a given [[equal]]~~-stepped tonal~~ system (especially [[~~EDO~~]] systems). In being the size of 1 percent of the distance between adjacent pitches, it is the generalization of the [[~~common~~ cent]] (¢).		The '''relative cent''' (symbol: '''r¢''', '''rct''', '''¢<sub>edo</sub>''') is a [[unit of interval size]] based on a given [[equal]] [[tuning system]] (especially [[edo]] systems). In being the size of 1 percent of the distance between adjacent pitches, it is the generalization of the common [[cent]] (¢).

	The term ''centidegree'' was suggested as an alias, but this seems to be used already as a unit for temperature.		The term ''centidegree'' was suggested as an alias, but this seems to be used already as a unit for temperature.

	Given any ''N'' [[~~EDO~~]], the size of an interval in ''relative cents'' is ''N''/12 times its size in [[cent]]s; or equivalently, 100''N'' times its logarithm base 2. Hence in [[7edo~~\|7EDO~~]], the octave is 700 relative cents, in [[53edo~~\|53EDO~~]], 5300 relative cents and so forth.		Given any ''N''-[[edo]], the size of an interval in ''relative cents'' is ''N''/12 times its size in [[cent]]s; or equivalently, 100''N'' times its [[log2\|logarithm base 2]]. Hence in [[7edo]], the octave is 700 relative cents, in [[53edo]], 5300 relative cents and so forth.

	An existing example is the [[turkish cent]], which is the relative cent of [[106edo~~\|106EDO~~]]. The iota, the relative cent for [[17edo~~\|17EDO~~]], has been proposed by [[George Secor]] and [[Margo Schulter]] for use with ~~17EDO~~, and [[Tútim Dennsuul Wafiil\|Tútim Dennsuul]] has advocated the [[purdal]], which divides the octave into 9900 parts (being relative cents of [[99edo~~\|99EDO~~]]). The [[millioctave]] is another such measure, as it can be viewed as the relative cent measure for [[10edo~~\|10EDO~~]]. The śat, for use with Armodue, divides the octave into 1600 parts (Armodue being a theory of [[16edo~~\|16EDO~~]]).		An existing example is the [[turkish cent]], which is the relative cent of [[106edo]]. The iota, the relative cent for [[17edo]], has been proposed by [[George Secor]] and [[Margo Schulter]] for use with 17edo, and [[Tútim Dennsuul Wafiil\|Tútim Dennsuul]] has advocated the [[purdal]], which divides the octave into 9900 parts (being relative cents of [[99edo]]). The [[millioctave]] is another such measure, as it can be viewed as the relative cent measure for [[10edo]]. The śat, for use with Armodue, divides the octave into 1600 parts (Armodue being a theory of [[16edo]]).

	== Relative error ==		== Relative error ==
	{{Main\| Relative interval error }}		{{Main\| Relative interval error }}

	Measuring the error of an approximation of an interval in an ~~EDO~~ in terms of relative cents gives the '''relative error''', which so long as the corresponding val is used is additive. For instance, the fifth of ~~12EDO~~ is 1.955{{c}} flat, or −1.955 cents sharp, which is therefore also its error in relative cents. The fifth of [[41edo~~\|41EDO~~]] is 1.654 relative cents sharp. Thus for {{nowrap\|53 {{=}} 41 + 12}}, the fifth is {{nowrap\|−1.955 + 1.654 {{=}} −0.301}} relative cents sharp, and hence {{nowrap\|(−0.301) × (12/53) {{=}} −0.068{{c}}}} sharp, which is to say 0.068{{c}} flat.		Measuring the error of an approximation of an interval in an edo in terms of relative cents gives the '''relative error''', which so long as the corresponding val is used is additive. For instance, the fifth of 12edo is 1.955{{c}} flat, or −1.955 cents sharp, which is therefore also its error in relative cents. The fifth of [[41edo]] is 1.654 relative cents sharp. Thus for {{nowrap\| 53 {{=}} 41 + 12 }}, the fifth is {{nowrap\| −1.955 + 1.654 {{=}} −0.301 }} relative cents sharp, and hence {{nowrap\| (−0.301) × (12/53) {{=}} −0.068{{c}} }} sharp, which is to say 0.068{{c}} flat.

	== Application for quantifying approximation ==		== Application for quantifying approximation ==
	If you want to quantify the approximation of a given [[JI]] interval in a given ~~[[Equal\|~~equal~~-stepped]] tonal system~~, you can consider the absolute distance of 50 r¢ as the worst possible and 0 r¢ as the best possible. For example, [[5edo~~\|5EDO~~]] has a relatively good approximated [[natural seventh]] with the ratio [[7/4]]: the absolute distance of 4\5 in ~~5EDO~~ is 8.82{{c}} or 3.677 r¢ flat of 7/4. But the approximations of its multiple ~~EDOs~~ [[10edo~~\|10EDO~~]] (7.355 r¢), [[15edo~~\|15EDO~~]] (11.032 r¢) … become progressively worse (in a relative sense). So in [[65edo~~\|65EDO~~]], there is the 7/4 situated halfway between two adjacent pitches (off by at least 47.807 r¢), but its absolute distance from this interval in cents is still the same as for ~~5EDO~~: 8.826{{c}} flat. See [[Pepper ambiguity]] for a mathematical approach to quantify the approximations for sets of intervals.		If you want to quantify the approximation of a given [[JI]] interval in a given equal tuning, you can consider the absolute distance of 50 r¢ as the worst possible and 0 r¢ as the best possible. For example, [[5edo]] has a relatively good approximated [[natural seventh]] with the ratio [[7/4]]: the absolute distance of 4\5 in 5edo is 8.82{{c}} or 3.677 r¢ flat of 7/4. But the approximations of its multiple edos [[10edo]] (7.355 r¢), [[15edo]] (11.032 r¢) … become progressively worse (in a relative sense). So in [[65edo]], there is the 7/4 situated halfway between two adjacent pitches (off by at least 47.807 r¢), but its absolute distance from this interval in cents is still the same as for 5edo: 8.826{{c}} flat. See [[Pepper ambiguity]] for a mathematical approach to quantify the approximations for sets of intervals.

	== See also ==		== See also ==

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	The term ''centidegree'' was suggested as an alias, but this seems to be used already as a unit for temperature.		The term ''centidegree'' was suggested as an alias, but this seems to be used already as a unit for temperature.

	Given any ''N'' [[EDO]], the size of an interval in ''relative cents'' is ''N''/12 times its size in [[cent]]s; or equivalently, 100 ''N'' times its logarithm base 2. Hence in [[7edo\|7EDO]], the octave is 700 relative cents, in [[53edo\|53EDO]], 5300 relative cents and so forth.		Given any ''N'' [[EDO]], the size of an interval in ''relative cents'' is ''N''/12 times its size in [[cent]]s; or equivalently, 100''N'' times its logarithm base 2. Hence in [[7edo\|7EDO]], the octave is 700 relative cents, in [[53edo\|53EDO]], 5300 relative cents and so forth.

	An existing example is the [[turkish cent]], which is the relative cent of [[106edo\|106EDO]]. The iota, the relative cent for [[17edo\|17EDO]], has been proposed by [[George Secor]] and [[Margo Schulter]] for use with 17EDO, and [[Tútim Dennsuul Wafiil\|Tútim Dennsuul]] has advocated the [[purdal]], which divides the octave into 9900 parts (being relative cents of [[99edo\|99EDO]]). The [[millioctave]] is another such measure, as it can be viewed as the relative cent measure for [[10edo\|10EDO]]. The śat, for use with Armodue, divides the octave into 1600 parts (Armodue being a theory of [[16edo\|16EDO]]).		An existing example is the [[turkish cent]], which is the relative cent of [[106edo\|106EDO]]. The iota, the relative cent for [[17edo\|17EDO]], has been proposed by [[George Secor]] and [[Margo Schulter]] for use with 17EDO, and [[Tútim Dennsuul Wafiil\|Tútim Dennsuul]] has advocated the [[purdal]], which divides the octave into 9900 parts (being relative cents of [[99edo\|99EDO]]). The [[millioctave]] is another such measure, as it can be viewed as the relative cent measure for [[10edo\|10EDO]]. The śat, for use with Armodue, divides the octave into 1600 parts (Armodue being a theory of [[16edo\|16EDO]]).
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	{{Main\| Relative interval error }}		{{Main\| Relative interval error }}

	Measuring the error of an approximation of an interval in an EDO in terms of relative cents gives the '''relative error''', which so long as the corresponding val is used is additive. For instance, the fifth of 12EDO is 1.955 ~~cents~~ flat, or -1.955 cents sharp, which is therefore also its error in relative cents. The fifth of [[41edo\|41EDO]] is 1.654 relative cents sharp. Thus for 53 = 41 + 12, the fifth is -1.955 + 1.654 = -0.301 relative cents sharp, and hence (-0.301)×(12/53) = -0.068 ~~cents~~ sharp, which is to say 0.068 ~~cents~~ flat.		Measuring the error of an approximation of an interval in an EDO in terms of relative cents gives the '''relative error''', which so long as the corresponding val is used is additive. For instance, the fifth of 12EDO is 1.955{{c}} flat, or −1.955 cents sharp, which is therefore also its error in relative cents. The fifth of [[41edo\|41EDO]] is 1.654 relative cents sharp. Thus for {{nowrap\|53 {{=}} 41 + 12}}, the fifth is {{nowrap\|−1.955 + 1.654 {{=}} −0.301}} relative cents sharp, and hence {{nowrap\|(−0.301) × (12/53) {{=}} −0.068{{c}}}} sharp, which is to say 0.068{{c}} flat.

	== Application for quantifying approximation ==		== Application for quantifying approximation ==
	If you want to quantify the approximation of a given [[JI]] interval in a given [[Equal\|equal-stepped]] tonal system, you can consider the absolute distance of 50 r¢ as the worst possible and 0 r¢ as the best possible. For example, [[5edo\|5EDO]] has a relatively good approximated [[natural seventh]] with the ratio [[7/4]]: the absolute distance of 4\5 in 5EDO is 8.~~826 ¢~~ or 3.677 r¢ flat of 7/4. But the approximations of its multiple EDOs [[10edo\|10EDO]] (7.355 r¢), [[15edo\|15EDO]] (11.032 r¢) … become progressively worse (in a relative sense). So in [[65edo\|65EDO]], there is the 7/4 situated halfway between two adjacent pitches (off by at least 47.807 r¢), but its absolute distance from this interval in cents is still the same as for 5EDO: 8.826 ¢ flat. See [[Pepper ambiguity]] for a mathematical approach to quantify the approximations for sets of intervals.		If you want to quantify the approximation of a given [[JI]] interval in a given [[Equal\|equal-stepped]] tonal system, you can consider the absolute distance of 50 r¢ as the worst possible and 0 r¢ as the best possible. For example, [[5edo\|5EDO]] has a relatively good approximated [[natural seventh]] with the ratio [[7/4]]: the absolute distance of 4\5 in 5EDO is 8.82{{c}} or 3.677 r¢ flat of 7/4. But the approximations of its multiple EDOs [[10edo\|10EDO]] (7.355 r¢), [[15edo\|15EDO]] (11.032 r¢) … become progressively worse (in a relative sense). So in [[65edo\|65EDO]], there is the 7/4 situated halfway between two adjacent pitches (off by at least 47.807 r¢), but its absolute distance from this interval in cents is still the same as for 5EDO: 8.826{{c}} flat. See [[Pepper ambiguity]] for a mathematical approach to quantify the approximations for sets of intervals.

	== See also ==		== See also ==

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	'''~~Relative~~ cent''' ('''~~rct~~''', '''r¢''', '''¢<sub>EDO</sub>''') is a ~~logarithmic~~ [[interval size ~~measure~~]] based on a given [[equal]]-stepped tonal system (especially [[EDO]] systems). In being the size of 1 percent of the distance between adjacent pitches, it is the generalization of the [[common cent]] (¢).		The '''relative cent''' (symbol: '''r¢''', '''rct''', '''¢<sub>EDO</sub>''') is a [[unit of interval size]] based on a given [[equal]]-stepped tonal system (especially [[EDO]] systems). In being the size of 1 percent of the distance between adjacent pitches, it is the generalization of the [[common cent]] (¢).

	The term ''centidegree'' was suggested as an alias, but this seems to be used already as a unit for temperature.		The term ''centidegree'' was suggested as an alias, but this seems to be used already as a unit for temperature.

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	== See also ==		== See also ==
	* [[Relative error]] − a measure for mapping quality		* [[Relative error]] − a measure for mapping quality
	* [[Relative cent/Problem]] − a WIP article that aims to show the shortcomings of the relative cent

	[[Category:Approximation]]		[[Category:Approximation]]

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	Given any ''N'' [[EDO]], the size of an interval in ''relative cents'' is ''N''/12 times its size in [[cent]]s; or equivalently, 100 ''N'' times its logarithm base 2. Hence in [[7edo\|7EDO]], the octave is 700 relative cents, in [[53edo\|53EDO]], 5300 relative cents and so forth.		Given any ''N'' [[EDO]], the size of an interval in ''relative cents'' is ''N''/12 times its size in [[cent]]s; or equivalently, 100 ''N'' times its logarithm base 2. Hence in [[7edo\|7EDO]], the octave is 700 relative cents, in [[53edo\|53EDO]], 5300 relative cents and so forth.

	An existing example is the [[turkish cent]], which is the relative cent of [[106edo\|106EDO]]. The iota, the relative cent for [[17edo\|17EDO]], has been proposed by [[George Secor]] and [[Margo Schulter]] for use with 17EDO, and [[Tútim Dennsuul Wafiil\|Tútim Dennsuul]] has advocated the [[purdal]], which divides the octave into 9900 parts (being relative cents of [[99edo\|99EDO]]). The [[millioctave]] is another such measure, as it can be viewed as the relative cent measure for [[10edo\|10EDO]]. The ~~sat~~, for use with Armodue, divides the octave into 1600 parts (Armodue being a theory of [[16edo\|16EDO]]).		An existing example is the [[turkish cent]], which is the relative cent of [[106edo\|106EDO]]. The iota, the relative cent for [[17edo\|17EDO]], has been proposed by [[George Secor]] and [[Margo Schulter]] for use with 17EDO, and [[Tútim Dennsuul Wafiil\|Tútim Dennsuul]] has advocated the [[purdal]], which divides the octave into 9900 parts (being relative cents of [[99edo\|99EDO]]). The [[millioctave]] is another such measure, as it can be viewed as the relative cent measure for [[10edo\|10EDO]]. The śat, for use with Armodue, divides the octave into 1600 parts (Armodue being a theory of [[16edo\|16EDO]]).

	== Relative error ==		== Relative error ==

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	The term ''centidegree'' was suggested as an alias, but this seems to be used already as a unit for temperature.		The term ''centidegree'' was suggested as an alias, but this seems to be used already as a unit for temperature.

	Given any ''N'' [[EDO]], the size of an interval in ''relative cents'' is ''N''/12 times its size in [[cent]]s; or equivalently, 100 ''N'' times its logarithm base 2. Hence in [[7edo]], the octave is 700 relative cents, in [[53edo]], 5300 relative cents and so forth.		Given any ''N'' [[EDO]], the size of an interval in ''relative cents'' is ''N''/12 times its size in [[cent]]s; or equivalently, 100 ''N'' times its logarithm base 2. Hence in [[7edo\|7EDO]], the octave is 700 relative cents, in [[53edo\|53EDO]], 5300 relative cents and so forth.

	An existing example is the [[turkish cent]], which is the relative cent of [[106edo]]. The iota, the relative cent for [[17edo]], has been proposed by [[George Secor]] and [[Margo Schulter]] for use with ~~17edo~~, and [[Tútim Dennsuul Wafiil\|Tútim Dennsuul]] has advocated the [[purdal]], which divides the octave into 9900 parts (being relative cents of [[99edo]]). The [[millioctave]] is another such measure, as it can be viewed as the relative cent measure for [[10edo]]. The sat, for use with Armodue, divides the octave into 1600 parts (Armodue being a theory of [[16edo]]).		An existing example is the [[turkish cent]], which is the relative cent of [[106edo\|106EDO]]. The iota, the relative cent for [[17edo\|17EDO]], has been proposed by [[George Secor]] and [[Margo Schulter]] for use with 17EDO, and [[Tútim Dennsuul Wafiil\|Tútim Dennsuul]] has advocated the [[purdal]], which divides the octave into 9900 parts (being relative cents of [[99edo\|99EDO]]). The [[millioctave]] is another such measure, as it can be viewed as the relative cent measure for [[10edo\|10EDO]]. The sat, for use with Armodue, divides the octave into 1600 parts (Armodue being a theory of [[16edo\|16EDO]]).

	== Relative error ==		== Relative error ==
	{{Main\| Relative interval error }}		{{Main\| Relative interval error }}

	Measuring the error of an approximation of an interval in an EDO in terms of relative cents gives the '''relative error''', which so long as the corresponding val is used is additive. For instance, the fifth of ~~12edo~~ is 1.~~995~~ cents flat, or -1.955 cents sharp, which is therefore also its error in relative cents. The fifth of [[41edo]] is 1.654 relative cents sharp. Thus for 53 = 41 + 12, the fifth is -1.955 + 1.654 = -0.301 relative cents sharp, and hence (-0.301)×(12/53) = -0.068 cents sharp, which is to say 0.068 cents flat.		Measuring the error of an approximation of an interval in an EDO in terms of relative cents gives the '''relative error''', which so long as the corresponding val is used is additive. For instance, the fifth of 12EDO is 1.955 cents flat, or -1.955 cents sharp, which is therefore also its error in relative cents. The fifth of [[41edo\|41EDO]] is 1.654 relative cents sharp. Thus for 53 = 41 + 12, the fifth is -1.955 + 1.654 = -0.301 relative cents sharp, and hence (-0.301)×(12/53) = -0.068 cents sharp, which is to say 0.068 cents flat.

	== Application for quantifying approximation ==		== Application for quantifying approximation ==
			If you want to quantify the approximation of a given [[JI]] interval in a given [[Equal\|equal-stepped]] tonal system, you can consider the absolute distance of 50 r¢ as the worst possible and 0 r¢ as the best possible. For example, [[5edo\|5EDO]] has a relatively good approximated [[natural seventh]] with the ratio [[7/4]]: the absolute distance of 4\5 in 5EDO is 8.826 ¢ or 3.677 r¢ flat of 7/4. But the approximations of its multiple EDOs [[10edo\|10EDO]] (7.355 r¢), [[15edo\|15EDO]] (11.032 r¢) … become progressively worse (in a relative sense). So in [[65edo\|65EDO]], there is the 7/4 situated halfway between two adjacent pitches (off by at least 47.807 r¢), but its absolute distance from this interval in cents is still the same as for 5EDO: 8.826 ¢ flat. See [[Pepper ambiguity]] for a mathematical approach to quantify the approximations for sets of intervals.
	If you want to quantify the approximation of a given [[JI]] interval in a given [[Equal\|equal-stepped]] tonal system, you can consider the absolute distance of 50 r¢ as the worst possible and 0 r¢ as the best possible. For example, [[5edo]] has a relatively good approximated [[natural seventh]] with the ratio [[7/4]]: the absolute distance of 4\5 in ~~5edo~~ is 8.826 ¢ or 3.677 r¢ flat of 7/4. But the approximations of its multiple ~~edos~~ [[10edo]] (7.355 r¢), [[15edo]] (11.032 r¢) … become progressively worse (in a relative sense). So in [[65edo]], there is the 7/4 situated halfway between two adjacent pitches (off by at least 47.807 r¢), but its absolute distance from this interval in cents is still the same as for ~~5edo~~: 8.826 ¢ flat. See [[Pepper ambiguity]] for a mathematical approach to quantify the approximations for sets of intervals.

	== See also ==		== See also ==

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