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Fredg999: Text replacement - "Ups and Downs Notation" to "Ups and downs notation"

2025-08-20T01:07:38Z

Text replacement - "Ups and Downs Notation" to "Ups and downs notation"

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	The 41 notes can be named with [[Ups and ~~Downs Notation~~\|ups and downs]]. A sharp equals four [[Arrow\|arrows]] (two frets), and a minor 2nd equals three arrows.		The 41 notes can be named with [[Ups and downs notation\|ups and downs]]. A sharp equals four [[Arrow\|arrows]] (two frets), and a minor 2nd equals three arrows.
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	\|+41-equal notes from C to D		\|+41-equal notes from C to D
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	!degree		!degree
	! colspan="2" \|[[Ups and ~~Downs Notation~~]]		! colspan="2" \|[[Ups and downs notation]]
	!in C		!in C
	![[41edo solfege\|solfege]]		![[41edo solfege\|solfege]]
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	''Main article:'' '''[[Kite Guitar Chord Shapes (downmajor tuning)]].'''		''Main article:'' '''[[Kite Guitar Chord Shapes (downmajor tuning)]].'''

	Chords are named using [[Ups and ~~Downs Notation~~\|ups and down notation]], see also the [http://tallkite.com/misc_files/notation%20guide%20for%20edos%205-72.pdf notation guide for edos 5-72]. Briefly, an up or down in the chord name immediately after the root affects the 3rd, 6th and/or the 7th, but not the 5th or 9th. Chord progressions are written as Cv7 - vEb^m6 - Fv7 or Iv7 - vbIII^m6 - IVv7.		Chords are named using [[Ups and downs notation\|ups and down notation]], see also the [http://tallkite.com/misc_files/notation%20guide%20for%20edos%205-72.pdf notation guide for edos 5-72]. Briefly, an up or down in the chord name immediately after the root affects the 3rd, 6th and/or the 7th, but not the 5th or 9th. Chord progressions are written as Cv7 - vEb^m6 - Fv7 or Iv7 - vbIII^m6 - IVv7.

	Here's a printer-friendly chart to get you started, with and without fingerings:		Here's a printer-friendly chart to get you started, with and without fingerings:

TallKite: added the Kite Fretboard Visualizer Tool, added the Russian tuning, added the d-fret, changed Jason to Deja, other small changes too

2024-12-30T23:12:18Z

added the Kite Fretboard Visualizer Tool, added the Russian tuning, added the d-fret, changed Jason to Deja, other small changes too

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TallKite: /* Fretboard charts (downmajor tuning) */ changed "off zone" to "complex zone"

2024-11-18T22:18:55Z

Fretboard charts (downmajor tuning): changed "off zone" to "complex zone"

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	This chart is the same, but extends much further. Some ratios change in the higher octaves, e.g. 16/15 becomes not 32/15 but 15/7.		This chart is the same, but extends much further. Some ratios change in the higher octaves, e.g. 16/15 becomes not 32/15 but 15/7.
	[[File:The Kite Tuning 2.png\|none\|thumb\|900x900px]]		[[File:The Kite Tuning 2.png\|none\|thumb\|900x900px]]
	This chart extends even further, showing the "rainbow zones" and the "~~off~~ zones". When two guitarists play together, it's very natural for one to play chords in the lower rainbow zone, and another to solo in the higher rainbow zone. The open strings tend to be in ~~an off~~ zone, unless the tonic is fairly close to the nut, or else up around the 3rd or 4th dot. [[File:The Kite Tuning 3.png\|none\|thumb\|900x900px]]		This chart extends even further, showing the "rainbow zones" and the "complex zones". When two guitarists play together, it's very natural for one to play chords in the lower rainbow zone, and another to solo in the higher rainbow zone. The open strings tend to be in a complex zone, unless the tonic is fairly close to the nut, or else up around the 3rd or 4th dot. [[File:The Kite Tuning 3.png\|none\|thumb\|900x900px]]
	This chart shows the actual notes of an 8-string Kite guitar. The notes circled in red are the open strings of a 12-equal guitar. The ideal string gauges for this tuning are discussed in the [[Kite Guitar Information For Luthiers\|Information For Luthiers]] page. Every 4th fret has one, two or three dots. The dots run single-double-triple-single-double-triple etc. Three dots equals a 5th.		This chart shows the actual notes of an 8-string Kite guitar. The notes circled in red are the open strings of a 12-equal guitar. The ideal string gauges for this tuning are discussed in the [[Kite Guitar Information For Luthiers\|Information For Luthiers]] page. Every 4th fret has one, two or three dots. The dots run single-double-triple-single-double-triple etc. Three dots equals a 5th.
	[[File:Fretboard 4.png\|none\|thumb\|900x900px]]		[[File:Fretboard 4.png\|none\|thumb\|900x900px]]

TallKite: added a section, How to read 41-equal scores, just a prominent link to the corresponding page

2024-06-29T23:03:26Z

added a section, How to read 41-equal scores, just a prominent link to the corresponding page

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CompactStar at 05:08, 13 January 2024

2024-01-13T05:08:57Z

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	\| rowspan="2" style="text-align:right;" \|8ves		\| rowspan="2" style="text-align:right;" \|8ves
	\| style="text-align:left;" \|~~dim~~ 8ve		\| style="text-align:left;" \|down 8ve
	\| v8		\| v8
	\|vC		\|vC

TallKite: /* Tuning A Kite Guitar To 31edo or 62edo */

2023-08-14T05:11:18Z

Tuning A Kite Guitar To 31edo or 62edo

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	Explores lattices and commas, aimed at composers.		Explores lattices and commas, aimed at composers.

	=== [[Tuning A Kite Guitar To 31edo or 62edo~~\|'''Tuning A Kite Guitar To 31edo or 62edo'''~~]] ===		=== [[Tuning A Kite Guitar To 31edo or 62edo]] ===
	It's possible to tune a Kite guitar to quasi-[[62edo]], with less than 1¢ error over most of the fretboard. Every other fret yields [[31edo]].		It's possible to tune a Kite guitar to quasi-[[62edo]], with less than 1¢ error over most of the fretboard. Every other fret yields [[31edo]].

TallKite: /* Further materials */ added link to the 31edo/62edo page

2023-08-13T19:27:12Z

Further materials: added link to the 31edo/62edo page

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	===[[41edo Lattices]]===		===[[41edo Lattices]]===
	Explores lattices and commas, aimed at composers.		Explores lattices and commas, aimed at composers.

			=== [[Tuning A Kite Guitar To 31edo or 62edo\|'''Tuning A Kite Guitar To 31edo or 62edo''']] ===
			It's possible to tune a Kite guitar to quasi-[[62edo]], with less than 1¢ error over most of the fretboard. Every other fret yields [[31edo]].

	===Brief History===		===Brief History===

TallKite: /* About 41-equal */

2023-04-22T06:40:15Z

About 41-equal

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	These charts show 41-equal in terms of 12-equal. The circle of fifths becomes a spiral. "-ish" means ±1 edostep (one 41st of an octave)~~. The 12 categories circled in red correspond to the notes of 12-equal. The two innermost and two outermost intervals are duplicates~~. [[File:41-edo_spiral.png\|left\|thumb\|400x400px]] [[File:41-edo_spiral_with_notes.png\|center\|thumb\|400x400px]]		These charts show 41-equal in terms of 12-equal. The circle of fifths becomes a spiral. Because this spiral is really a circle of 41 fifths, the two innermost and two outermost intervals are duplicates. In the first chart, "-ish" means ±1 edostep (one 41st of an octave). [[File:41-edo_spiral.png\|left\|thumb\|400x400px]] [[File:41-edo_spiral_with_notes.png\|center\|thumb\|400x400px]]

TallKite: /* About 41-equal */

2023-04-22T06:18:49Z

About 41-equal

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	== About 41-equal ==		== About 41-equal ==
	[[41-edo\|41-equal (aka 41edo)]] approximates 7-limit [[just intonation]] very closely. Prime 3 is extremely accurate, and primes 5 and 7 are both flat, which means their errors partially cancel out in ratios such as 7/5. ~~Unfortunately prime~~ 11 is sharp, so the errors add up, and 11/10 is nearly 11¢ sharp.		[[41-edo\|41-equal (aka 41edo)]] has steps of 29.27¢. It approximates 7-limit [[just intonation]] very closely. Prime 3 is extremely accurate, and primes 5 and 7 are both tuned flat, which means their errors partially cancel out in ratios such as 7/5. Prime 11 is also quite accurate. But unfortunately it's tuned sharp, so the errors can add up, and 11/10 is nearly 11¢ sharp. Primes 13 and 17 are further off, and accurate intonation requires microbending.
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	! prime		! prime
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	The 41 notes can be named with [[Ups and Downs Notation\|ups and downs]]. A sharp equals four ~~ups~~ (two frets), and a minor 2nd equals three ~~ups~~.		The 41 notes can be named with [[Ups and Downs Notation\|ups and downs]]. A sharp equals four [[Arrow\|arrows]] (two frets), and a minor 2nd equals three arrows.
	{\| class="wikitable center-all"		{\| class="wikitable center-all"
	\|+41-equal notes from C to D		\|+41-equal notes from C to D
	\|style="width:75px;"\| C		\|style="width:75px;"\| '''C'''
	\|style="width:75px;"\| ^C		\|style="width:75px;"\| ^C
	\|style="width:75px;"\| ^^C = vvC#		\|style="width:75px;"\| ^^C = vvC#
	\|style="width:75px;"\| vC#		\|style="width:75px;"\| vC#
	\|style="width:75px;"\| C#		\|style="width:75px;"\| '''C#'''
	\|style="width:75px;"\| ^C#		\|style="width:75px;"\| ^C#
	\|style="width:75px;"\|^^C#		\|style="width:75px;"\|^^C#
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	\|vvDb		\|vvDb
	\| vDb		\| vDb
	\| Db		\| '''Db'''
	\| ^Db		\| ^Db
	\| ^^Db = vvD		\| ^^Db = vvD
	\| vD		\| vD
	\| D		\| '''D'''
	\|}		\|}

	{\| class="wikitable center-all"		{\| class="wikitable center-all"
	\|+41-equal intervals from P1 to M2		\|+41-equal intervals from P1 to M2
	\|style="width:75px;"\| P1		\|style="width:75px;"\| '''P1'''
	\|style="width:75px;"\| ^1		\|style="width:75px;"\| ^1
	\|style="width:75px;"\| ^^1 = vvA1		\|style="width:75px;"\| ^^1 = vvA1
	\|style="width:75px;"\| vA1		\|style="width:75px;"\| vA1
	\|style="width:75px;"\| A1		\|style="width:75px;"\| '''A1'''
	\|style="width:75px;"\| ^A1		\|style="width:75px;"\| ^A1
	\|style="width:75px;"\|^^A1		\|style="width:75px;"\|^^A1
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	\|vvm2		\|vvm2
	\| vm2		\| vm2
	\| m2		\| '''m2'''
	\| ^m2		\| ^m2
	\| ~2		\| ~2
	\| vM2		\| vM2
	\| M2		\| '''M2'''
	\|}		\|}
	All 41 intervals (P = perfect, ~ = mid):		All 41 intervals (P = perfect, ~ = mid):

TallKite: /* Scales on the Kite Guitar */

2023-04-22T05:43:30Z

Scales on the Kite Guitar

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	===[[Kite_Giedraitis's_Categorizations_of_41edo_Scales \|Scales on the Kite Guitar]]===		===[[Kite_Giedraitis's_Categorizations_of_41edo_Scales \|Scales on the Kite Guitar]]===
	A theoretical exploration of 41-equal scales. The 5 categories are pentatonic, diatonic, semitonal, ~~trientonal (~~fretwise) and microtonal.		A theoretical exploration of 41-equal scales. The 5 categories are pentatonic, diatonic, semitonal, fretwise and microtonal.

	===[[Kite's Thoughts on 41edo Note Names and Key Signatures\|Kite's Thoughts on 41-equal Note Names and Key Signatures]]===		===[[Kite's Thoughts on 41edo Note Names and Key Signatures\|Kite's Thoughts on 41-equal Note Names and Key Signatures]]===

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	This chart is the same, but extends much further. Some ratios change in the higher octaves, e.g. 16/15 becomes not 32/15 but 15/7.		This chart is the same, but extends much further. Some ratios change in the higher octaves, e.g. 16/15 becomes not 32/15 but 15/7.
	[[File:The Kite Tuning 2.png\|none\|thumb\|900x900px]]		[[File:The Kite Tuning 2.png\|none\|thumb\|900x900px]]
	This chart extends even further, showing the "rainbow zones" and the "~~off~~ zones". When two guitarists play together, it's very natural for one to play chords in the lower rainbow zone, and another to solo in the higher rainbow zone. The open strings tend to be in ~~an off~~ zone, unless the tonic is fairly close to the nut, or else up around the 3rd or 4th dot. [[File:The Kite Tuning 3.png\|none\|thumb\|900x900px]]		This chart extends even further, showing the "rainbow zones" and the "complex zones". When two guitarists play together, it's very natural for one to play chords in the lower rainbow zone, and another to solo in the higher rainbow zone. The open strings tend to be in a complex zone, unless the tonic is fairly close to the nut, or else up around the 3rd or 4th dot. [[File:The Kite Tuning 3.png\|none\|thumb\|900x900px]]
	This chart shows the actual notes of an 8-string Kite guitar. The notes circled in red are the open strings of a 12-equal guitar. The ideal string gauges for this tuning are discussed in the [[Kite Guitar Information For Luthiers\|Information For Luthiers]] page. Every 4th fret has one, two or three dots. The dots run single-double-triple-single-double-triple etc. Three dots equals a 5th.		This chart shows the actual notes of an 8-string Kite guitar. The notes circled in red are the open strings of a 12-equal guitar. The ideal string gauges for this tuning are discussed in the [[Kite Guitar Information For Luthiers\|Information For Luthiers]] page. Every 4th fret has one, two or three dots. The dots run single-double-triple-single-double-triple etc. Three dots equals a 5th.
	[[File:Fretboard 4.png\|none\|thumb\|900x900px]]		[[File:Fretboard 4.png\|none\|thumb\|900x900px]]