Kite Giedraitis - Revision history

Tristanbay: added pronunciation of his last name

2025-09-17T03:04:52Z

added pronunciation of his last name

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	{{See also\|User:TallKite}}		{{See also\|User:TallKite}}
	'''Kite Giedraitis''', also known as '''Tall Kite''', is a musician, author, theorist, instrument builder and software developer.		'''Kite Giedraitis''' (pronounced ''gih-DRIGH-tiss''), also known as '''Tall Kite''', is a musician, author, theorist, instrument builder and software developer.

	Popular tracks: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAPzZ9oJYyY Evening Rondo], [http://tallkite.com/music/IHearNumbers.html I Hear Numbers]		Popular tracks: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAPzZ9oJYyY Evening Rondo], [http://tallkite.com/music/IHearNumbers.html I Hear Numbers]

Fredg999: Text replacement - "Ups_and_Downs_Notation" to "Ups and downs notation"

2025-08-20T01:10:00Z

Text replacement - "Ups_and_Downs_Notation" to "Ups and downs notation"

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	His [[Kite's_color_notation\|color notation]] represents each prime via 1 or 2 colors (2 = clear, 3 = wa, 5 = yo for 5-over and gu for 5-under, 7 = zo and ru, etc.). Combined with standard diatonic notation, any ratio can be expressed as a color plus a degree, e.g. "zo third" for 7/6. There is a rigorous one-to-one correspondence between ratios and color notation, making it ideal for JI. But it can also be applied to temperaments and EDOs, since ratios are often used to refer to intervals in such tunings.		His [[Kite's_color_notation\|color notation]] represents each prime via 1 or 2 colors (2 = clear, 3 = wa, 5 = yo for 5-over and gu for 5-under, 7 = zo and ru, etc.). Combined with standard diatonic notation, any ratio can be expressed as a color plus a degree, e.g. "zo third" for 7/6. There is a rigorous one-to-one correspondence between ratios and color notation, making it ideal for JI. But it can also be applied to temperaments and EDOs, since ratios are often used to refer to intervals in such tunings.

	[[~~Ups_and_Downs_Notation~~\|Ups and downs notation]] can notate every EDO with only 2 new accidentals. The standard seven letters and the standard sharp and flat is used to represent the chain of fifths. For EDOs in which 7 fifths octave-reduce to one EDOstep (12edo, 19edo, etc.) this is sufficient. For other EDOs, the up symbol "^" and the down symbol "v" represent raising and lowering the pitch by one EDOstep.		[[Ups and downs notation\|Ups and downs notation]] can notate every EDO with only 2 new accidentals. The standard seven letters and the standard sharp and flat is used to represent the chain of fifths. For EDOs in which 7 fifths octave-reduce to one EDOstep (12edo, 19edo, etc.) this is sufficient. For other EDOs, the up symbol "^" and the down symbol "v" represent raising and lowering the pitch by one EDOstep.

	Along with Praveen Venkataramana, he has developed the concept of a [[pergen\|pergen]], which categorizes rank-2 and rank-3 temperaments. The pergen article also exhaustively covers how to notate them.		Along with Praveen Venkataramana, he has developed the concept of a [[pergen\|pergen]], which categorizes rank-2 and rank-3 temperaments. The pergen article also exhaustively covers how to notate them.

Fredg999: Text replacement - "Ups and Downs Notation" to "Ups and downs notation"

2025-08-20T01:07:39Z

Text replacement - "Ups and Downs Notation" to "Ups and downs notation"

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	== See also ==		== See also ==
	* [[Color notation]]		* [[Color notation]]
	* [[Ups and ~~Downs Notation~~]]		* [[Ups and downs notation]]
	* [[Pergen]]		* [[Pergen]]
	* [[Kite Guitar]]		* [[Kite Guitar]]

TallKite: moved my humorous posts and personal thoughts to my userspace, away from the mainspace.

2025-08-18T15:07:48Z

moved my humorous posts and personal thoughts to my userspace, away from the mainspace.

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TallKite: added my yin yang graphic

2025-04-22T23:36:01Z

added my yin yang graphic

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	His [[Kite's_color_notation\|color notation]] represents each prime via 1 or 2 colors (2 = clear, 3 = wa, 5 = yo for 5-over and gu for 5-under, 7 = zo and ru, etc.). Combined with standard diatonic notation, any ratio can be expressed as a color plus a degree, e.g. "zo third" for 7/6. There is a rigorous one-to-one correspondence between ratios and color notation, making it ideal for JI. But it can also be applied to temperaments and EDOs, since ratios are often used to refer to intervals in such tunings.		His [[Kite's_color_notation\|color notation]] represents each prime via 1 or 2 colors (2 = clear, 3 = wa, 5 = yo for 5-over and gu for 5-under, 7 = zo and ru, etc.). Combined with standard diatonic notation, any ratio can be expressed as a color plus a degree, e.g. "zo third" for 7/6. There is a rigorous one-to-one correspondence between ratios and color notation, making it ideal for JI. But it can also be applied to temperaments and EDOs, since ratios are often used to refer to intervals in such tunings.

	[[Ups_and_Downs_Notation\|Ups and downs notation]]~~, the version of which detailed on the wiki was invented by Kite,~~ can notate every EDO with only 2 new accidentals. The standard seven letters and the standard sharp and flat is used to represent the chain of fifths. For EDOs in which 7 fifths octave-reduce to one EDOstep (12edo, 19edo, etc.) this is sufficient. For other EDOs, the up symbol "^" and the down symbol "v" represent raising and lowering the pitch by one EDOstep.		[[Ups_and_Downs_Notation\|Ups and downs notation]] can notate every EDO with only 2 new accidentals. The standard seven letters and the standard sharp and flat is used to represent the chain of fifths. For EDOs in which 7 fifths octave-reduce to one EDOstep (12edo, 19edo, etc.) this is sufficient. For other EDOs, the up symbol "^" and the down symbol "v" represent raising and lowering the pitch by one EDOstep.

	Along with Praveen Venkataramana, he has developed the concept of a [[pergen\|pergen]], which categorizes rank-2 and rank-3 temperaments. The pergen article also exhaustively covers how to notate them.		Along with Praveen Venkataramana, he has developed the concept of a [[pergen\|pergen]], which categorizes rank-2 and rank-3 temperaments. The pergen article also exhaustively covers how to notate them.
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	“It’s the best there is,” Doc Daneeka agreed.		“It’s the best there is,” Doc Daneeka agreed.

			=== Yin-yang graphic ===
			[[File:Yinyang tetrads.jpg\|none\|thumb]]
			The tetrahedrons represent 4:5:6:7 and 7:6:5:4 tetrads. The graphic represents my personal views about their usage.

	== See also ==		== See also ==

TallKite: Joseph Heller Catch-22 parody

2025-04-18T00:40:48Z

Joseph Heller Catch-22 parody

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	This is the end!		This is the end!

			=== Joseph Heller parody ===
			Yossarian looked at him soberly and tried another approach. “What if we lowered the 9th to be 5/3 above the 4th?”

			“We sure can,” Doc Daneeka said.

			“And then all the chords will be in tune?” Yossarian asked.

			“No. Not all of them.”

			“You mean there’s a catch?”

			“Sure there’s a catch,” Doc Daneeka replied. “Catch-22. Any 5-limit just intonation major scale isn’t really in tune.”

			There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that the major 9th can't be in tune with both the fourth and the fifth. 9/4 makes a sharp 5/3 with the fourth and needs to be flattened by 22 cents to 20/9. But 20/9 makes a flat 3/2 with the fifth and needs to be sharpened by 22 cents to 9/4.

			Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle.

			“That’s some catch, that Catch-22,” he observed.

			“It’s the best there is,” Doc Daneeka agreed.

	== See also ==		== See also ==

VectorGraphics at 10:02, 17 March 2025

2025-03-17T10:02:45Z

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	His [[Kite's_color_notation\|color notation]] represents each prime via 1 or 2 colors (2 = clear, 3 = wa, 5 = yo for 5-over and gu for 5-under, 7 = zo and ru, etc.). Combined with standard diatonic notation, any ratio can be expressed as a color plus a degree, e.g. "zo third" for 7/6. There is a rigorous one-to-one correspondence between ratios and color notation, making it ideal for JI. But it can also be applied to temperaments and EDOs, since ratios are often used to refer to intervals in such tunings.		His [[Kite's_color_notation\|color notation]] represents each prime via 1 or 2 colors (2 = clear, 3 = wa, 5 = yo for 5-over and gu for 5-under, 7 = zo and ru, etc.). Combined with standard diatonic notation, any ratio can be expressed as a color plus a degree, e.g. "zo third" for 7/6. There is a rigorous one-to-one correspondence between ratios and color notation, making it ideal for JI. But it can also be applied to temperaments and EDOs, since ratios are often used to refer to intervals in such tunings.

	~~His~~ [[Ups_and_Downs_Notation\|~~ups~~ and downs notation]] can notate every EDO with only 2 new accidentals. The standard seven letters and the standard sharp and flat is used to represent the chain of fifths. For EDOs in which 7 fifths octave-reduce to one EDOstep (12edo, 19edo, etc.) this is sufficient. For other EDOs, the up symbol "^" and the down symbol "v" represent raising and lowering the pitch by one EDOstep.		[[Ups_and_Downs_Notation\|Ups and downs notation]], the version of which detailed on the wiki was invented by Kite, can notate every EDO with only 2 new accidentals. The standard seven letters and the standard sharp and flat is used to represent the chain of fifths. For EDOs in which 7 fifths octave-reduce to one EDOstep (12edo, 19edo, etc.) this is sufficient. For other EDOs, the up symbol "^" and the down symbol "v" represent raising and lowering the pitch by one EDOstep.

	Along with Praveen Venkataramana, he has developed the concept of a [[pergen\|pergen]], which categorizes rank-2 and rank-3 temperaments. The pergen article also exhaustively covers how to notate them.		Along with Praveen Venkataramana, he has developed the concept of a [[pergen\|pergen]], which categorizes rank-2 and rank-3 temperaments. The pergen article also exhaustively covers how to notate them.

BudjarnLambeth: /* See also */ Add very relevant pages

2024-12-25T02:21:26Z

TallKite: /* Manifesto */

2024-12-14T19:32:46Z

Manifesto

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	Things I refuse to memorize:		Things I refuse to memorize:

	<ul><li>I refuse to memorize any ratio with numbers of more than 2 digits</li><li>I refuse to memorize any extended ratio with numbers higher than 20</li><li>I refuse to memorize the difference between a ~~limna~~, a kleisma, a schisma, a diaschisma, and a diesis</li><li>I refuse to memorize the 62 sagittal accidentals</li><li>I refuse to memorize the 46 TAMNAMS names		<ul><li>I refuse to memorize any ratio with numbers of more than 2 digits</li><li>I refuse to memorize any extended ratio with numbers higher than 20</li><li>I refuse to memorize the difference between a limma, a kleisma, a schisma, a diaschisma, and a diesis</li><li>I refuse to memorize the 62 sagittal accidentals</li><li>I refuse to memorize the 46 TAMNAMS names
	</li><li>I refuse to memorize the 750 temperament names</li></ul>		</li><li>I refuse to memorize the 750 temperament names</li></ul>

TallKite: added a horribly opinionated rant about the xenwiki

2024-12-14T09:28:19Z

added a horribly opinionated rant about the xenwiki

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	There's such a thing as an over-educated ear. Anyone that studies microtonal music for a decade or so can hear consonance in anything. You learn to appreciate ever larger odd limits and prime limits until the octave is packed with hundreds of ratios. And every possible cents interval becomes a tempered version of some ratio or other. I personally would never use, say, 15/13. I just don't want to make music that requires that level of ear training. It just makes microtonal music unlistenable and inaccessible to the general public. It's like avant-garde jazz or atonal classical music. It's honestly hard for me to tell the difference between either of those and a toddler plunking away on the piano at random. I guess if I went to music school, I could learn to tell the difference, but why bother? Music is supposed to be fun, and you shouldn't have to read a textbook to get it.		There's such a thing as an over-educated ear. Anyone that studies microtonal music for a decade or so can hear consonance in anything. You learn to appreciate ever larger odd limits and prime limits until the octave is packed with hundreds of ratios. And every possible cents interval becomes a tempered version of some ratio or other. I personally would never use, say, 15/13. I just don't want to make music that requires that level of ear training. It just makes microtonal music unlistenable and inaccessible to the general public. It's like avant-garde jazz or atonal classical music. It's honestly hard for me to tell the difference between either of those and a toddler plunking away on the piano at random. I guess if I went to music school, I could learn to tell the difference, but why bother? Music is supposed to be fun, and you shouldn't have to read a textbook to get it.

			=== Rant about the xenwiki ===
			Yet another one of Kite's horribly opinionated rants.

			A mathematician, a physicist and an engineer are each tasked with finding out the volume of a ball. The mathematician gets a piece of string, measures the circumference, solves for the radius and calculates the volume. The physicist fills a large container with water, puts the ball in it and measures the change in volume when it sinks. The engineer finds the ball's serial number and looks up the volume on the internet.

			Three different professions, three different ways of thinking. In the microtonal world, the mathematician is roughly analogous to the theorist, notation creator, xen software author and/or instrument builder/designer. The physicist = composer/arranger, and the engineer = performing musician. Or maybe the instrument builder is more of an engineer. Whatever, the point is there are very different levels of abstraction going on.

			IMO the xenwiki caters far too much to the mathematician and not nearly enough to the physicist/engineer. It creates a feedback loop wherein the mathiness repels non-mathy types and attracts mathy types, who then make the xenwiki even more mathy. two examples:

			'''Excessive precision''', especially in cents. No one can hear a tenth of a cent except under certain carefully controlled conditions. Ask yourself, have you ever walked across the room while listening to music? Have you ever noticed the doppler effect causing the tonic to drift off, then drift back when you stop walking? If not, you have no business insisting on tenth of a cent accuracy, let alone the thousandths or even millionths of a cent found here.

			The exception to this is generators that get stacked repeatedly to generate a scale. Here tenths of a cent are warranted. But hundredths are only warranted if the generator is stacked a hundred times, which never happens.

			There is a xenwiki page on 762148edo, and it isn't marked as a novelty page. One edostep is 0.0015745¢! I could wave a magic wand and quantize all the world's music to 762148edo, and the next day quantize it all to 762149edo, and the next day undo all quantization, and no one would hear any of these changes.

			<u>''In music, if you can't hear it, it doesn't exist!''</u>

			'''Harmonic division vs. arithmetic division'''. What a musician calls the harmonic series, a mathematician calls the arithmetic series. What a musician calls the subharmonic series, a mathematician calls the harmonic series. Since the whole point of the xenwiki is to promote microtonal music, it should be a no-brainer which one to use here. But what should be called the harmonic division of an octave is called the arithmetic frequency division of an octave.

			It takes special talents (like a good ear) and years of study to become a good composer/arranger/musician. To ask one to additionally learn mathy lingo is very off-putting. Let's not drive them away, let's meet them where they're coming from.

			Things a composer/arranger/musician should never have to think about:

			* anything to tenths of a cent
			* the phrase "arithmetic division"
			* any comma that can't be pumped in 16 bars or less
			* acoustic pi, acoustic phi, etc.
			* any edo in the thousands or higher, arguably those in the hundreds as well
			* sentences like "A maximal evenness scale deriving from the 118 & 665 temperament, known as [[vavoom]], can also theoretically serve as a calendar leap week cycle corresponding to a year length of 365d 5h 48m 37+17/19s, about 7 seconds shorter than the average length of the tropical year today."

	=== Groaner puns ===		=== Groaner puns ===

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	His [[Kite's_color_notation\|color notation]] represents each prime via 1 or 2 colors (2 = clear, 3 = wa, 5 = yo for 5-over and gu for 5-under, 7 = zo and ru, etc.). Combined with standard diatonic notation, any ratio can be expressed as a color plus a degree, e.g. "zo third" for 7/6. There is a rigorous one-to-one correspondence between ratios and color notation, making it ideal for JI. But it can also be applied to temperaments and EDOs, since ratios are often used to refer to intervals in such tunings.		His [[Kite's_color_notation\|color notation]] represents each prime via 1 or 2 colors (2 = clear, 3 = wa, 5 = yo for 5-over and gu for 5-under, 7 = zo and ru, etc.). Combined with standard diatonic notation, any ratio can be expressed as a color plus a degree, e.g. "zo third" for 7/6. There is a rigorous one-to-one correspondence between ratios and color notation, making it ideal for JI. But it can also be applied to temperaments and EDOs, since ratios are often used to refer to intervals in such tunings.

	[[~~Ups_and_Downs_Notation~~\|Ups and downs notation]] can notate every EDO with only 2 new accidentals. The standard seven letters and the standard sharp and flat is used to represent the chain of fifths. For EDOs in which 7 fifths octave-reduce to one EDOstep (12edo, 19edo, etc.) this is sufficient. For other EDOs, the up symbol "^" and the down symbol "v" represent raising and lowering the pitch by one EDOstep.		[[Ups and downs notation\|Ups and downs notation]] can notate every EDO with only 2 new accidentals. The standard seven letters and the standard sharp and flat is used to represent the chain of fifths. For EDOs in which 7 fifths octave-reduce to one EDOstep (12edo, 19edo, etc.) this is sufficient. For other EDOs, the up symbol "^" and the down symbol "v" represent raising and lowering the pitch by one EDOstep.

	Along with Praveen Venkataramana, he has developed the concept of a [[pergen\|pergen]], which categorizes rank-2 and rank-3 temperaments. The pergen article also exhaustively covers how to notate them.		Along with Praveen Venkataramana, he has developed the concept of a [[pergen\|pergen]], which categorizes rank-2 and rank-3 temperaments. The pergen article also exhaustively covers how to notate them.

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	His [[Kite's_color_notation\|color notation]] represents each prime via 1 or 2 colors (2 = clear, 3 = wa, 5 = yo for 5-over and gu for 5-under, 7 = zo and ru, etc.). Combined with standard diatonic notation, any ratio can be expressed as a color plus a degree, e.g. "zo third" for 7/6. There is a rigorous one-to-one correspondence between ratios and color notation, making it ideal for JI. But it can also be applied to temperaments and EDOs, since ratios are often used to refer to intervals in such tunings.		His [[Kite's_color_notation\|color notation]] represents each prime via 1 or 2 colors (2 = clear, 3 = wa, 5 = yo for 5-over and gu for 5-under, 7 = zo and ru, etc.). Combined with standard diatonic notation, any ratio can be expressed as a color plus a degree, e.g. "zo third" for 7/6. There is a rigorous one-to-one correspondence between ratios and color notation, making it ideal for JI. But it can also be applied to temperaments and EDOs, since ratios are often used to refer to intervals in such tunings.

	~~His~~ [[Ups_and_Downs_Notation\|~~ups~~ and downs notation]] can notate every EDO with only 2 new accidentals. The standard seven letters and the standard sharp and flat is used to represent the chain of fifths. For EDOs in which 7 fifths octave-reduce to one EDOstep (12edo, 19edo, etc.) this is sufficient. For other EDOs, the up symbol "^" and the down symbol "v" represent raising and lowering the pitch by one EDOstep.		[[Ups_and_Downs_Notation\|Ups and downs notation]], the version of which detailed on the wiki was invented by Kite, can notate every EDO with only 2 new accidentals. The standard seven letters and the standard sharp and flat is used to represent the chain of fifths. For EDOs in which 7 fifths octave-reduce to one EDOstep (12edo, 19edo, etc.) this is sufficient. For other EDOs, the up symbol "^" and the down symbol "v" represent raising and lowering the pitch by one EDOstep.

	Along with Praveen Venkataramana, he has developed the concept of a [[pergen\|pergen]], which categorizes rank-2 and rank-3 temperaments. The pergen article also exhaustively covers how to notate them.		Along with Praveen Venkataramana, he has developed the concept of a [[pergen\|pergen]], which categorizes rank-2 and rank-3 temperaments. The pergen article also exhaustively covers how to notate them.

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	== See also ==		== See also ==
	* [[Kite Guitar]]
	* [[Color notation]]		* [[Color notation]]
	* [[Ups and Downs Notation]]		* [[Ups and Downs Notation]]
	* [[Pergen]]		* [[Pergen]]
			* [[Kite Guitar]]
			** [[Kite Guitar Exercises and Techniques by Kite Giedraitis]]
			** [[Kite Guitar Originals by Kite Giedraitis]]
			** [[Kite Guitar Translations by Kite Giedraitis]]
			* [[41edo]]
			** [[Kite Giedraitis's Categorizations of 41edo Scales]]
			** [[Kite's Thoughts on 41edo Note Names and Key Signatures]]
	* [[New Tuning Method]]		* [[New Tuning Method]]
	* [[Naming Rank-2 Scales using Mode Numbers]]		* [[Naming Rank-2 Scales using Mode Numbers]]
	* [[Stern-Brocot ancestors and rank 2 temperaments]] (unfinished)		* [[Stern-Brocot ancestors and rank 2 temperaments]] (''unfinished'')
			* [[Kite Giedraitis's thoughts on enharmonic unisons]]

	== External links ==		== External links ==