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Definition

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	Ups and downs can also notate any [[Tour of Regular Temperaments\|rank-2 temperament]], although some temperaments require an additional pair of accidentals, lifts and drops (/ and \). In this context, an up or a lift represents sharpening by a [[comma]] that has been tempered, but not tempered out. For example, in [[Porcupine\|Triyo aka Porcupine]], an up/down represents raising/lowering by a tempered 81/80, and lifts/drops aren't used. In practice, the two uses of the notation often coincide perfectly. Triyo is supported by both 15edo and 22edo, and both edos map 81/80 to one EDOstep. Thus if Triyo is tuned to 15edo, an up simultaneously means both a tempered 81/80 and 1\15. Likewise, if tuned to 22edo, the up means both 81/80 and 1\22. If not tuned to an edo at all, then the up only means 81/80. Thus a piece written in Triyo can be converted to a piece written in 22edo by simply writing "22edo" on the top of the page.		Ups and downs can also notate any [[Tour of Regular Temperaments\|rank-2 temperament]], although some temperaments require an additional pair of accidentals, lifts and drops (/ and \). In this context, an up or a lift represents sharpening by a [[comma]] that has been tempered, but not tempered out. For example, in [[Porcupine\|Triyo aka Porcupine]], an up/down represents raising/lowering by a tempered 81/80, and lifts/drops aren't used. In practice, the two uses of the notation often coincide perfectly. Triyo is supported by both 15edo and 22edo, and both edos map 81/80 to one EDOstep. Thus if Triyo is tuned to 15edo, an up simultaneously means both a tempered 81/80 and 1\15. Likewise, if tuned to 22edo, the up means both 81/80 and 1\22. If not tuned to an edo at all, then the up only means 81/80. Thus a piece written in Triyo can be converted to a piece written in 22edo by simply writing "22edo" on the top of the page.

	Ups and downs can also be used to notate rank-3 just intonation subgroups such as 2.3.5 or 2.3.7 or 2.3.11. See [[Ups and downs notation for Rank-3 JI]].		Ups and downs can also be used to notate rank-3 just intonation subgroups such as 2.3.5 or 2.3.7 or 2.3.11. See [[Kite's thoughts on ups and downs notation for rank-3 JI\|Ups and downs notation for Rank-3 JI]].

	'''<u>This page only discusses notation of edos.</u>''' However, the notation of chords and chord progressions applies to all situations. For notation of rank-2 and rank-3 temperaments, see the [[pergen\|pergens]] article.		'''<u>This page only discusses notation of edos.</u>''' However, the notation of chords and chord progressions applies to all situations. For notation of rank-2 and rank-3 temperaments, see the [[pergen\|pergens]] article.

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TallKite at 19:38, 6 February 2026

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	\| C<sup>ø</sup>(v3)		\| C<sup>ø</sup>(v3)
	\| '''Cvd,d7'''		\| '''Cvd,d7'''
	\| ~~'''~~Cv<sup>o</sup>,d7~~'''~~		\| Cv<sup>o</sup>d7
	\| Cv,6		\| Cv,6
	\| Cvm,6		\| Cvm,6
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	\| C<sup>ø</sup>(v3v5)		\| C<sup>ø</sup>(v3v5)
	\| '''Cvd,d7(v5)'''		\| '''Cvd,d7(v5)'''
	\| ~~'''~~Cv<sup>o</sup>,d7(v5)~~'''~~		\| Cv<sup>o</sup>d7(v5)
	\| Cv,6(v5)		\| Cv,6(v5)
	\| Cvm,6(v5)		\| Cvm,6(v5)
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	* {{nowrap\|Cv^9 {{=}} C vE G ^D}} (an interval can't be both upped and downed)		* {{nowrap\|Cv^9 {{=}} C vE G ^D}} (an interval can't be both upped and downed)
	* {{nowrap\|CmM7 {{=}} C Eb G B}} (an interval can't be both minor and major) *		* {{nowrap\|CmM7 {{=}} C Eb G B}} (an interval can't be both minor and major) *
	* {{nowrap\|Cma7 {{=}} C Eb Gb B#}} (an interval can't be both minor and aug) **		* {{nowrap\|Cma7 {{=}} C Eb G B#}} (an interval can't be both minor and aug) **
	* {{nowrap\|Cm#11 {{=}} C Eb G F#}} (an interval can't be both minor and sharp)		* {{nowrap\|Cm#11 {{=}} C Eb G F#}} (an interval can't be both minor and sharp)
	* {{nowrap\|Cvmm6 {{=}} C vEb G Ab}} (an interval can't be doubly minor)		* {{nowrap\|Cvmm6 {{=}} C vEb G Ab}} (an interval can't be doubly minor)

ArrowHead294 at 20:46, 29 January 2026

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Chords and chord progressions: One more

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	*[[31edo chord names]]		*[[31edo chord names]]
	*[[41edo chord names]]		*[[41edo chord names]]
	*[[Kite Guitar ~~Chord Shapes~~ (downmajor tuning)]]		*[[Kite Guitar chord shapes (downmajor tuning)]]

	In [[Sharpness\|sharp-0]] edos aka perfect edos (7, 14, 21, 28 and 35), every interval is perfect, and there is no major or minor. In the following lists of chord names, omit major, minor, dim and aug. Substitute up for upmajor and upminor, and down for downmajor and downminor. The C-E-G chord is called "C perfect" or simply "C".		In [[Sharpness\|sharp-0]] edos aka perfect edos (7, 14, 21, 28 and 35), every interval is perfect, and there is no major or minor. In the following lists of chord names, omit major, minor, dim and aug. Substitute up for upmajor and upminor, and down for downmajor and downminor. The C-E-G chord is called "C perfect" or simply "C".

Fredg999: /* Chords and chord progressions */ Update links

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Chords and chord progressions: Update links

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	Chord names are based on jazz chord names. See Jim Aiken's book ''A Player's Guide to Chords & Harmony''. Alterations are enclosed in parentheses, additions never are. Alterations always come last in the chord name. Examples:		Chord names are based on jazz chord names. See Jim Aiken's book ''A Player's Guide to Chords & Harmony''. Alterations are enclosed in parentheses, additions never are. Alterations always come last in the chord name. Examples:

	*[[19edo ~~Chord Names~~]]		*[[19edo chords]]
	*[[22edo ~~Chord Names~~]]		*[[22edo chords]]
	*[[24edo ~~Chord Names~~]]		*[[24edo chord names]]
	*[[31edo ~~Chord Names~~]]		*[[31edo chord names]]
	*[[41edo ~~Chord Names~~]]		*[[41edo chord names]]
	*[[Kite Guitar Chord Shapes (downmajor tuning)]]		*[[Kite Guitar Chord Shapes (downmajor tuning)]]

Fredg999: Text replacement - "Ups and Downs Notation" to "Ups and downs notation"

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Text replacement - "Ups and Downs Notation" to "Ups and downs notation"

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	Ups and downs can also notate any [[Tour of Regular Temperaments\|rank-2 temperament]], although some temperaments require an additional pair of accidentals, lifts and drops (/ and \). In this context, an up or a lift represents sharpening by a [[comma]] that has been tempered, but not tempered out. For example, in [[Porcupine\|Triyo aka Porcupine]], an up/down represents raising/lowering by a tempered 81/80, and lifts/drops aren't used. In practice, the two uses of the notation often coincide perfectly. Triyo is supported by both 15edo and 22edo, and both edos map 81/80 to one EDOstep. Thus if Triyo is tuned to 15edo, an up simultaneously means both a tempered 81/80 and 1\15. Likewise, if tuned to 22edo, the up means both 81/80 and 1\22. If not tuned to an edo at all, then the up only means 81/80. Thus a piece written in Triyo can be converted to a piece written in 22edo by simply writing "22edo" on the top of the page.		Ups and downs can also notate any [[Tour of Regular Temperaments\|rank-2 temperament]], although some temperaments require an additional pair of accidentals, lifts and drops (/ and \). In this context, an up or a lift represents sharpening by a [[comma]] that has been tempered, but not tempered out. For example, in [[Porcupine\|Triyo aka Porcupine]], an up/down represents raising/lowering by a tempered 81/80, and lifts/drops aren't used. In practice, the two uses of the notation often coincide perfectly. Triyo is supported by both 15edo and 22edo, and both edos map 81/80 to one EDOstep. Thus if Triyo is tuned to 15edo, an up simultaneously means both a tempered 81/80 and 1\15. Likewise, if tuned to 22edo, the up means both 81/80 and 1\22. If not tuned to an edo at all, then the up only means 81/80. Thus a piece written in Triyo can be converted to a piece written in 22edo by simply writing "22edo" on the top of the page.

	Ups and downs can also be used to notate rank-3 just intonation subgroups such as 2.3.5 or 2.3.7 or 2.3.11. See [[Ups and ~~Downs Notation~~ for Rank-3 JI]].		Ups and downs can also be used to notate rank-3 just intonation subgroups such as 2.3.5 or 2.3.7 or 2.3.11. See [[Ups and downs notation for Rank-3 JI]].

	'''<u>This page only discusses notation of edos.</u>''' However, the notation of chords and chord progressions applies to all situations. For notation of rank-2 and rank-3 temperaments, see the [[pergen\|pergens]] article.		'''<u>This page only discusses notation of edos.</u>''' However, the notation of chords and chord progressions applies to all situations. For notation of rank-2 and rank-3 temperaments, see the [[pergen\|pergens]] article.

TallKite: TallKite moved page Ups and downs notation to Kite's ups and downs notation: Editor VectorGraphics has repeatedly edited pages I've written about my own research and inserted misinformation. On discord he is openly hostile to me. This move is necessary to avoid a toxic work environment for me.

2025-08-20T00:56:31Z

TallKite moved page Ups and downs notation to Kite's ups and downs notation: Editor VectorGraphics has repeatedly edited pages I've written about my own research and inserted misinformation. On discord he is openly hostile to me. This move is necessary to avoid a toxic work environment for me.

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 Up and down are short for up-arrow and down-arrow, and arrow refers to both. Sometimes the name of a notation symbol comes to mean that which the symbol indicates. Just as "bar" (the vertical line that separates measures) has come to mean "measure", "[[arrow]]" has also come to mean "EDOstep".
-=== Enharmonic equivalents ===
+=== Enharmonic unisons ===
 Conventionally, in C you use D# instead of Eb when you have a Gaug chord. You have the freedom to spell your notes how you like, to make your chords look right. Likewise, in 22edo, D♭ can be spelled ^C or vB♯ or even ^^B (double-up B, or '''dup''' B for short, rhymes with "cup"). Respelling is done by adding or subtracting an [[Enharmonic unisons in ups and downs notation|enharmonic unison]], '''EU''' for short.
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 Lifts and drops (/ and \) can be used for microinflections of less than an edostep, since they look like part of an arrow.
+{| class="wikitable"
 For very large edos in which commas like 81/80 and 64/63 are many edosteps, the color notation accidental pairs yo/gu and zo/ru can be "edoized" to stand for a certain number of edosteps. For example, in [[311edo]], 81/80 is 6 edosteps. Thus g means ^> and y means v<. The colors can be combined with arrows as in upyo or dudgu (^y or vvg). Likewise, 64/63 is 7 edosteps, thus r means ^^> and z means vv<.

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Staff Notation

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	===Staff Notation===		===Staff Notation===
	For staff notation, put an arrow to the left of the note and any sharp or flat it might have. Like sharps and flats, an arrow applies to any similar note that follows in the measure. If C is upped, any other C in the same octave inherits the up. If an up-C is followed by a down-C, the down-arrow ~~cancels~~ the up-arrow.		For staff notation, put an arrow to the left of the note and any sharp or flat it might have. Like sharps and flats, an arrow applies to any similar note that follows in the measure. If C is upped, any other C in the same octave inherits the up. If an up-C is followed by a down-C, the down-arrow replaces the up-arrow.

	But what happens when accidentals are mixed with arrows? What if the key signature makes that upped C be sharp? Or what if there is a C with a sharp just before the upped C? Does the up-arrow override or "cancel" the sharp? And what if an upped C is followed by a sharpened C?		But what happens when accidentals are mixed with arrows? What if the key signature makes that upped C be sharp? Or what if there is a C with a sharp just before the upped C? Does the up-arrow override or "cancel" the sharp? And what if an upped C is followed by a sharpened C?

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	== See also ==		== See also ==
	* [[Enharmonic unisons in ups and downs notation]]		* [[Enharmonic unisons in ups and downs notation]]
	* [[Alternative symbols for ups and downs notation]]
	* [[Lambda ups and downs notation]]		* [[Lambda ups and downs notation]]

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