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ArrowHead294 at 23:44, 21 March 2025

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	On J, the scale is J K L M# N# O# Q J. Notice how this time P is omitted? That's because it's a seven note scale; notating this scale is a little weird because we use 8 natural notes to notate a seven tone scale, just as it's awkward notating a 6 note scale with 7 naturals. This scale is very beautiful and works quite well for composition and melody. It's somewhat happier than the Dylathian scale but somewhat awkward as well.		On J, the scale is J K L M# N# O# Q J. Notice how this time P is omitted? That's because it's a seven note scale; notating this scale is a little weird because we use 8 natural notes to notate a seven tone scale, just as it's awkward notating a 6 note scale with 7 naturals. This scale is very beautiful and works quite well for composition and melody. It's somewhat happier than the Dylathian scale but somewhat awkward as well.

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	On J, the scale is J K L M# N# O# Q J. Notice how this time P is omitted? That's because it's a seven note scale; notating this scale is a little weird because we use 8 natural notes to notate a seven tone scale, just as it's awkward notating a 6 note scale with 7 naturals. This scale is very beautiful and works quite well for composition and melody. It's somewhat happier than the Dylathian scale but somewhat awkward as well.		On J, the scale is J K L M# N# O# Q J. Notice how this time P is omitted? That's because it's a seven note scale; notating this scale is a little weird because we use 8 natural notes to notate a seven tone scale, just as it's awkward notating a 6 note scale with 7 naturals. This scale is very beautiful and works quite well for composition and melody. It's somewhat happier than the Dylathian scale but somewhat awkward as well.


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Fredg999: Recategorization (most categories made sense as tags, but they might be more confusing than helpful now), added some internal links to replace the most relevant categories

2021-08-09T05:24:32Z

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	This scale is technically in [[The Xen\|the xen]] world called "~~father~~[8]" but we will call it "Dylathian" which is its name from another world... haha just kidding but that is what we call it. The scale is somewhat similar to a major scale but at the same time, very different. The first most obvious thing is that the scale has eight notes instead of the usual seven which makes it very cool. This scale is what I consider the basis for 13 edo harmony and melody meaning, you can go outside the scale all you want but this scale gives us some kind of guide to follow when playing in 13.		This scale is technically in [[The Xen\|the xen]] world called "[[Father]][8]" but we will call it "[[Dylathian]]" which is its name from another world... haha just kidding but that is what we call it. The scale is somewhat similar to a major scale but at the same time, very different. The first most obvious thing is that the scale has eight notes instead of the usual seven which makes it very cool. This scale is what I consider the basis for 13 edo harmony and melody meaning, you can go outside the scale all you want but this scale gives us some kind of guide to follow when playing in 13.

	So how do we write this scale out in letter names? How do we notate it? Well the problem is, traditional musical alphabet does a poor job at representing 13 notes an octave even with added notes. There are various approaches to notating 13 ET with regular note names such as including a new letter H displacing everything on the musical staff, or adding an extra sharp somewhere. Overall, I found these techniques to be overly confusing as my brain being so accustomed to 12 equal temperament notation is trying to liken it to 13 which will not work. Looking at a staff you've seen for a long time and trying to displace the letter names to notate it where A now means H is like trying to relearn numbers to where 7 now means 8 and 8 means 9. It's extremely counterintuitive and confusing. So what's the solution? Well, some may argue it's unnecessary but I propose an entirely new set of letters producing a new musical alphabet. This is the best way for me because I won't get confused with trying to look at an A and think that it's H, that's just too insane. But couldn't we just notate it with numbers instead? Sure, we could do that with 12 as well, why don't we? I dunno, but I don't really care for numbers, there's something about pairing a sound with a letter vs. pairing it with a number.		So how do we write this scale out in letter names? How do we notate it? Well the problem is, traditional musical alphabet does a poor job at representing 13 notes an octave even with added notes. There are various approaches to notating 13 ET with regular note names such as including a new letter H displacing everything on the musical staff, or adding an extra sharp somewhere. Overall, I found these techniques to be overly confusing as my brain being so accustomed to 12 equal temperament notation is trying to liken it to 13 which will not work. Looking at a staff you've seen for a long time and trying to displace the letter names to notate it where A now means H is like trying to relearn numbers to where 7 now means 8 and 8 means 9. It's extremely counterintuitive and confusing. So what's the solution? Well, some may argue it's unnecessary but I propose an entirely new set of letters producing a new musical alphabet. This is the best way for me because I won't get confused with trying to look at an A and think that it's H, that's just too insane. But couldn't we just notate it with numbers instead? Sure, we could do that with 12 as well, why don't we? I dunno, but I don't really care for numbers, there's something about pairing a sound with a letter vs. pairing it with a number.
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	On J, the scale is J K L M# N# O# Q J. Notice how this time P is omitted? That's because it's a seven note scale; notating this scale is a little weird because we use 8 natural notes to notate a seven tone scale, just as it's awkward notating a 6 note scale with 7 naturals. This scale is very beautiful and works quite well for composition and melody. It's somewhat happier than the Dylathian scale but somewhat awkward as well.		On J, the scale is J K L M# N# O# Q J. Notice how this time P is omitted? That's because it's a seven note scale; notating this scale is a little weird because we use 8 natural notes to notate a seven tone scale, just as it's awkward notating a 6 note scale with 7 naturals. This scale is very beautiful and works quite well for composition and melody. It's somewhat happier than the Dylathian scale but somewhat awkward as well.

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PiotrGrochowski at 07:52, 22 September 2018

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	<span style="font-size: 13px;">This scale is technically in the xen world called "father[8]" but we will call it "Dylathian" which is it's name from another world... haha Just kidding but that is what we call it. The scale is somewhat similar to a major scale but at the same time, very different. The first most obvious thing is that the scale has eight notes instead of the usual seven which makes it very cool. This scale is what I consider the basis for 13 edo harmony and melody meaning, you can go outside the scale all you want but this scale gives us some kind of guide to follow when playing in 13.</span>		<span style="font-size: 13px;">This scale is technically in [[The Xen\|the xen]] world called "father[8]" but we will call it "Dylathian" which is it's name from another world... haha Just kidding but that is what we call it. The scale is somewhat similar to a major scale but at the same time, very different. The first most obvious thing is that the scale has eight notes instead of the usual seven which makes it very cool. This scale is what I consider the basis for 13 edo harmony and melody meaning, you can go outside the scale all you want but this scale gives us some kind of guide to follow when playing in 13.</span>

	<span style="font-size: 13px;">So how do we write this scale out in letter names? How do we notate it? Well the problem is, traditional musical alphabet does a poor job at representing 13 notes an octave even with added notes. There are various approaches to notating 13 ET with regular note names such as including a new letter H displacing everything on the musical staff, or adding an extra sharp somewhere. Overall, I found these techniques to be overly confusing as my brain being so accustomed to 12 equal temperament notation is trying to liken it to 13 which will not work. Looking at a staff you've seen for a long time and trying to displace the letter names to notate it where A now means H is like trying to relearn numbers to where 7 now means 8 and 8 means 9. It's extremely counter intuitive and confusing. So what's the solution? Well, some may argue it's unnecessary but I propose an entirely new set of letters producing a new musical alphabet. This is the best way for me because I won't get confused with trying to look at an A and think that it's H, that's just too insane. But couldn't we just notate it with numbers instead? Sure, we could do that with 12 as well, why don't we? I dunno, but I don't really care for numbers, there's something about paring a sound with a letter VS pairing it with a number.</span>		<span style="font-size: 13px;">So how do we write this scale out in letter names? How do we notate it? Well the problem is, traditional musical alphabet does a poor job at representing 13 notes an octave even with added notes. There are various approaches to notating 13 ET with regular note names such as including a new letter H displacing everything on the musical staff, or adding an extra sharp somewhere. Overall, I found these techniques to be overly confusing as my brain being so accustomed to 12 equal temperament notation is trying to liken it to 13 which will not work. Looking at a staff you've seen for a long time and trying to displace the letter names to notate it where A now means H is like trying to relearn numbers to where 7 now means 8 and 8 means 9. It's extremely counter intuitive and confusing. So what's the solution? Well, some may argue it's unnecessary but I propose an entirely new set of letters producing a new musical alphabet. This is the best way for me because I won't get confused with trying to look at an A and think that it's H, that's just too insane. But couldn't we just notate it with numbers instead? Sure, we could do that with 12 as well, why don't we? I dunno, but I don't really care for numbers, there's something about paring a sound with a letter VS pairing it with a number.</span>

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2018-09-21T15:25:28Z

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	<span style="font-size: 13px;">With any tuning, we always can start just by playing around chromatically to find some cool ideas. However, playing music in an unfamiliar tuning is much more fun if you have something to work with rather than just BANGING all around all over the place. Scales make composing melody simpler as well as gives us something to organize the tuning in a way that makes sense to our brain. There are at least a few good MOS scales in 13 edo that include not only good melodies and avoid having two small steps in a row, but also contain a wealth of harmonic resources. In a nut-shell, they can be used as a tonal foundation similar to the way 12 EDO uses the major scale. In 13EDO, this is the scale that we will base our notation on:</span>		<span style="font-size: 13px;">With any tuning, we always can start just by playing around chromatically to find some cool ideas. However, playing music in an unfamiliar tuning is much more fun if you have something to work with rather than just BANGING all around all over the place. Scales make composing melody simpler as well as gives us something to organize the tuning in a way that makes sense to our brain. There are at least a few good MOS scales in 13 edo that include not only good melodies and avoid having two small steps in a row, but also contain a wealth of harmonic resources. In a nut-shell, they can be used as a tonal foundation similar to the way 12 EDO uses the major scale. In 13EDO, this is the scale that we will base our notation on:</span>

	<span style="font-size: 13px;">[[File:13_edo_8_tone_mode_1.~~wav~~]]</span>		<span style="font-size: 13px;">[[File:13_edo_8_tone_mode_1.mp3]]</span>

	<span style="font-size: 13px;">This scale is technically in the xen world called "father[8]" but we will call it "Dylathian" which is it's name from another world... haha Just kidding but that is what we call it. The scale is somewhat similar to a major scale but at the same time, very different. The first most obvious thing is that the scale has eight notes instead of the usual seven which makes it very cool. This scale is what I consider the basis for 13 edo harmony and melody meaning, you can go outside the scale all you want but this scale gives us some kind of guide to follow when playing in 13.</span>		<span style="font-size: 13px;">This scale is technically in the xen world called "father[8]" but we will call it "Dylathian" which is it's name from another world... haha Just kidding but that is what we call it. The scale is somewhat similar to a major scale but at the same time, very different. The first most obvious thing is that the scale has eight notes instead of the usual seven which makes it very cool. This scale is what I consider the basis for 13 edo harmony and melody meaning, you can go outside the scale all you want but this scale gives us some kind of guide to follow when playing in 13.</span>
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	<span style="font-size: 13px;">Listen to the scale JKLMNOPQJ again:</span>		<span style="font-size: 13px;">Listen to the scale JKLMNOPQJ again:</span>

	<span style="font-size: 13px;">[[File:13_edo_8_tone_mode_1.~~wav~~]]</span>		<span style="font-size: 13px;">[[File:13_edo_8_tone_mode_1.mp3]]</span>

	<span style="font-size: 13px;">We can also look at the entire chromatic scale in 13 Edo:</span>		<span style="font-size: 13px;">We can also look at the entire chromatic scale in 13 Edo:</span>
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	<span style="font-size: 13px;">This is what it sounds like:</span>		<span style="font-size: 13px;">This is what it sounds like:</span>

	[[File:13_Edo_chromatic_scale_on_J.~~wav~~]]		[[File:13_Edo_chromatic_scale_on_J.mp3]]

	==Archeotonic 7-tone scales:==		==Archeotonic 7-tone scales:==