Keemun - Revision history

Xenllium at 01:41, 18 April 2026

2026-04-18T01:41:51Z

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	\| Generators = 6/5 \| Generators tuning = 317.6 \| Optimization method = CWE		\| Generators = 6/5 \| Generators tuning = 317.6 \| Optimization method = CWE
	\| MOS scales = [[4L 3s]], [[4L 7s]], [[4L 11s]], [[15L 4s]]		\| MOS scales = [[4L 3s]], [[4L 7s]], [[4L 11s]], [[15L 4s]]
			\| Pergen = (P8, P12/6)
	\| Odd limit 1 = 7 \| Mistuning 1 = 17.8 \| Complexity 1 = 7		\| Odd limit 1 = 7 \| Mistuning 1 = 17.8 \| Complexity 1 = 7
			\| Odd limit 2 = 11 \| Mistuning 2 = 27.3 \| Complexity 2 = 15
	}}		}}
	'''Keemun''' is an [[extension]] of the [[hanson]] temperament, and [[tempering out\|tempers out]] [[49/48]], [[56/55]], and [[100/99]] in the [[11-limit]]. This means it uses the same simple mappings for the 7th and 11th harmonics as [[orgone]]. Unfortunately, the optimal tunings for the 3rd and 5th harmonics is substantially flatter than that for the 7th & 11th ones, requiring you to compromise one set for the other. The edos that support keemun in their patent vals are [[4edo]], [[15edo]], [[19edo]], and [[34edo]], with [[49edo\|49d]] and [[64edo\|64bde]] coming closer to balancing the errors equally.		'''Keemun''' is an [[extension]] of the [[hanson]] temperament, and [[tempering out\|tempers out]] [[49/48]], [[56/55]], and [[100/99]] in the [[11-limit]]. This means it uses the same simple mappings for the 7th and 11th harmonics as [[orgone]]. Unfortunately, the optimal tunings for the 3rd and 5th harmonics is substantially flatter than that for the 7th & 11th ones, requiring you to compromise one set for the other. The edos that support keemun in their patent vals are [[4edo]], [[15edo]], [[19edo]], and [[34edo]], with [[49edo\|49d]] and [[64edo\|64bde]] coming closer to balancing the errors equally.

Xenllium at 01:24, 18 April 2026

2026-04-18T01:24:57Z

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	[[Category:Rank-2 temperaments]]		[[Category:Rank-2 temperaments]]
	[[Category:Kleismic family]]		[[Category:Kleismic family]]
			[[Category:Semaphoresmic clan]]
	[[Category:Starling temperaments]]		[[Category:Starling temperaments]]
	[[Category:Listen]]		[[Category:Listen]]

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			{{Infobox regtemp
			\| Title = Keemun
			\| Subgroups = 2.3.5.7
			\| Comma basis = [[49/48]], [[126/125]]
			\| Edo join 1 = 15 \| Edo join 2 = 19
			\| Mapping = 1; 6 5 3
			\| Generators = 6/5 \| Generators tuning = 316.8 \| Optimization method = CWE
			\| MOS scales = [[4L 3s]], [[4L 7s]], [[4L 11s]], [[15L 4s]]
			\| Odd limit 1 = 7 \| Mistuning 1 = 17.8 \| Complexity 1 = 7
			}}
	'''Keemun''' is an [[extension]] of the [[hanson]] temperament, and [[tempering out\|tempers out]] [[49/48]], [[56/55]], and [[100/99]] in the [[11-limit]]. This means it uses the same simple mappings for the 7th and 11th harmonics as [[orgone]]. Unfortunately, the optimal tunings for the 3rd and 5th harmonics is substantially flatter than that for the 7th & 11th ones, requiring you to compromise one set for the other. The edos that support keemun in their patent vals are [[4edo]], [[15edo]], [[19edo]], and [[34edo]], with [[49edo\|49d]] and [[64edo\|64bde]] coming closer to balancing the errors equally.		'''Keemun''' is an [[extension]] of the [[hanson]] temperament, and [[tempering out\|tempers out]] [[49/48]], [[56/55]], and [[100/99]] in the [[11-limit]]. This means it uses the same simple mappings for the 7th and 11th harmonics as [[orgone]]. Unfortunately, the optimal tunings for the 3rd and 5th harmonics is substantially flatter than that for the 7th & 11th ones, requiring you to compromise one set for the other. The edos that support keemun in their patent vals are [[4edo]], [[15edo]], [[19edo]], and [[34edo]], with [[49edo\|49d]] and [[64edo\|64bde]] coming closer to balancing the errors equally.

	This temperament was originally discovered by [[Dave Keenan]] and named by [[Herman Miller]] in 2006 after the {{w\|Keemun\|Chinese black tea}}<ref>Dave Keenan's original write-up: [https://dkeenan.com/Music/ChainOfMinor3rds.htm ''11 note chain-of-minor-thirds scale'']</ref><ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_13712#13775 Yahoo! Tuning Group \| ''Rich Holmes temperaments'']</ref>		This temperament was originally discovered by [[Dave Keenan]] and named by [[Herman Miller]] in 2006 after the {{w\|Keemun\|Chinese black tea}}<ref>Dave Keenan's original write-up: [https://dkeenan.com/Music/ChainOfMinor3rds.htm ''11 note chain-of-minor-thirds scale'']</ref><ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_13712#13775 Yahoo! Tuning Group \| ''Rich Holmes temperaments'']</ref>.

	See [[Kleismic family #Keemun]] for technical data.		See [[Kleismic family #Keemun]] for technical data.

FloraC: The entire name section is just distracting. Move to temperament naming page

2026-03-27T09:52:54Z

The entire name section is just distracting. Move to temperament naming page

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	'''Keemun''' is an [[extension]] of the [[hanson]] temperament, and [[tempering out\|tempers out]] [[49/48]], [[56/55]], and [[100/99]] in the [[11-limit]]. This means it uses the same simple mappings for the 7th and 11th harmonics as [[orgone]]. Unfortunately, the optimal tunings for the 3rd and 5th harmonics is substantially flatter than that for the 7th & 11th ones, requiring you to compromise one set for the other. The edos that support keemun in their patent vals are [[4edo]], [[15edo]], [[19edo]], and [[34edo]], with [[49edo\|49d]] and [[64edo\|64bde]] coming closer to balancing the errors equally.		'''Keemun''' is an [[extension]] of the [[hanson]] temperament, and [[tempering out\|tempers out]] [[49/48]], [[56/55]], and [[100/99]] in the [[11-limit]]. This means it uses the same simple mappings for the 7th and 11th harmonics as [[orgone]]. Unfortunately, the optimal tunings for the 3rd and 5th harmonics is substantially flatter than that for the 7th & 11th ones, requiring you to compromise one set for the other. The edos that support keemun in their patent vals are [[4edo]], [[15edo]], [[19edo]], and [[34edo]], with [[49edo\|49d]] and [[64edo\|64bde]] coming closer to balancing the errors equally.

	This temperament was originally discovered by [[Dave Keenan]] and named by [[Herman Miller]] in 2006 after the {{w\|Keemun\|Chinese black tea}}<ref>Dave Keenan's original write-up: [https://dkeenan.com/Music/ChainOfMinor3rds.htm ''11 note chain-of-minor-thirds scale'']</ref><ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_13712#13775 Yahoo! Tuning Group \| ''Rich Holmes temperaments'']</ref>.		This temperament was originally discovered by [[Dave Keenan]] and named by [[Herman Miller]] in 2006 after the {{w\|Keemun\|Chinese black tea}}<ref>Dave Keenan's original write-up: [https://dkeenan.com/Music/ChainOfMinor3rds.htm ''11 note chain-of-minor-thirds scale'']</ref><ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_13712#13775 Yahoo! Tuning Group \| ''Rich Holmes temperaments'']</ref>

	See [[Kleismic family #Keemun]] for technical data.		See [[Kleismic family #Keemun]] for technical data.
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	<nowiki>*</nowiki> In 11-limit POTE tuning, octave reduced		<nowiki>*</nowiki> In 11-limit POTE tuning, octave reduced

	~~== Name ==~~
	As he did for the comma now known as the [[Keenanisma #Etymology\|''keenanisma'']], Dave Keenan resisted the temperament being named after him, and preferred descriptive names to eponymous ones because they would be more useful. Unfortunately, by the time Dave's preference reached [[Paul Erlich]], Paul had already begun to use the name ''keenan'' in a series of diagrams, and so renaming it to something descriptive such as ''minorthirds'' at this point would require an inordinate amount of reordering busywork. Due to this, the effort to rename the temperament continued, but with the additional constraint that the name could not alter its alphabetical ordering with respect to its nearest neighboring temperaments in Paul's diagrams. The name chosen in the end, ''keemun'', was suggested by Herman Miller as a reference to the famous tea. Although this name did not satisfy Dave's request for descriptiveness, it fulfilled the ultimate goal of distinguishing itself from the name ''kleismic'', thereby ending the unfortunate practice of calling this temperament, a 7-limit extension of hanson with a much lower accuracy, by ''kleismic'' also.

	== Music ==		== Music ==

FloraC: Neutrality. Cleanup. Fix dead link. - typo

2026-03-27T09:34:23Z

Neutrality. Cleanup. Fix dead link. - typo

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	'''Keemun''' is an [[extension]] of the [[hanson]] temperament, and [[tempering out\|tempers out]] [[49/48]], [[56/55]], and [[100/99]] in the [[11-limit]]. This means it uses the same simple mappings for the 7th and 11th harmonics as [[orgone]]. Unfortunately, the optimal tunings for the 3rd and 5th harmonics is substantially flatter than that for the 7th & 11th ones, requiring you to compromise one set for the other. The edos that support keemun in their patent vals are [[4edo]], [[15edo]], [[19edo]], and [[34edo]], with [[49edo\|49d]] and [[64edo\|64bde]] coming closer to balancing the errors equally.		'''Keemun''' is an [[extension]] of the [[hanson]] temperament, and [[tempering out\|tempers out]] [[49/48]], [[56/55]], and [[100/99]] in the [[11-limit]]. This means it uses the same simple mappings for the 7th and 11th harmonics as [[orgone]]. Unfortunately, the optimal tunings for the 3rd and 5th harmonics is substantially flatter than that for the 7th & 11th ones, requiring you to compromise one set for the other. The edos that support keemun in their patent vals are [[4edo]], [[15edo]], [[19edo]], and [[34edo]], with [[49edo\|49d]] and [[64edo\|64bde]] coming closer to balancing the errors equally.

			This temperament was originally discovered by [[Dave Keenan]] and named by [[Herman Miller]] in 2006 after the {{w\|Keemun\|Chinese black tea}}<ref>Dave Keenan's original write-up: [https://dkeenan.com/Music/ChainOfMinor3rds.htm ''11 note chain-of-minor-thirds scale'']</ref><ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_13712#13775 Yahoo! Tuning Group \| ''Rich Holmes temperaments'']</ref>.

	See [[Kleismic family #Keemun]] for technical data.		See [[Kleismic family #Keemun]] for technical data.

	~~This temperament was originally discovered by [[Dave Keenan]]<ref>Dave Keenan's original write-up: https://dkeenan.com/Music/ChainOfMinor3rds.htm</ref>.~~

	== Interval chain ==		== Interval chain ==
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	! colspan="3" \| 13-limit ratios		! colspan="3" \| 13-limit ratios
	\|-		\|-
	! ~~Keemum~~<br>(4 & 19)		! Keemun<br>(4 & 19)
	! Kema<br>(15 & 19)		! Kema<br>(15 & 19)
	! Kumbaya<br>(4 & 15)		! Kumbaya<br>(4 & 15)
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	== Name ==		== Name ==
	~~[[Keenanisma #Name\|~~As he did for the comma now known as the "keenanisma"]], Dave Keenan resisted the temperament being named after him, and ~~for the same reason: Dave prefers~~ descriptive names to eponymous ones, because they ~~are~~ more useful. Unfortunately, by the time Dave's preference reached [[Paul Erlich]], Paul had already begun to use the name ~~"Keenan"~~ in a series of diagrams, and so renaming it to something descriptive such as ~~"Minorthirds"~~ at this point would require an inordinate amount of reordering busywork. Due to this, the effort to rename the temperament continued, but with the additional constraint that the name could not alter its alphabetical ordering with respect to its nearest neighboring temperaments in Paul's diagrams. The name chosen in the end, ~~"Keemun"~~, was suggested by [[Herman Miller]] as a reference to ~~[[Wikipedia:Keemun\|~~the famous tea~~]]<ref>https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup~~.~~github.io/tuning-math/topicId_13712#13775</ref>. While~~ this name ~~satisfies Paul's alphabetical ordering preservation constraint, it does~~ not satisfy Dave's descriptiveness ~~constraint~~, ~~and~~ thereby ~~misses~~ the ~~point~~ of ~~Dave~~'~~s original request for it not to be named after him~~.		As he did for the comma now known as the [[Keenanisma #Etymology\|''keenanisma'']], Dave Keenan resisted the temperament being named after him, and preferred descriptive names to eponymous ones because they would be more useful. Unfortunately, by the time Dave's preference reached [[Paul Erlich]], Paul had already begun to use the name ''keenan'' in a series of diagrams, and so renaming it to something descriptive such as ''minorthirds'' at this point would require an inordinate amount of reordering busywork. Due to this, the effort to rename the temperament continued, but with the additional constraint that the name could not alter its alphabetical ordering with respect to its nearest neighboring temperaments in Paul's diagrams. The name chosen in the end, ''keemun'', was suggested by Herman Miller as a reference to the famous tea. Although this name did not satisfy Dave's request for descriptiveness, it fulfilled the ultimate goal of distinguishing itself from the name ''kleismic'', thereby ending the unfortunate practice of calling this temperament, a 7-limit extension of hanson with a much lower accuracy, by ''kleismic'' also.

	== Music ==		== Music ==
	* [~~http~~://chrisvaisvil.com/the-fallen-of-kleismic15/ ~~The Fallen of Kleismic15~~][http://micro.soonlabel.com/53edo/20130903_Kleismic~~%5b15%5d~~.mp3 play] by [[~~Chris Vaisvil~~]]		; [[Chris Vaisvil]]
			* ''The Fallen of Kleismic{{lbrack}}15{{rbrack}}'' – [https://https://www.chrisvaisvil.com/the-fallen-of-kleismic15/ blog] \| [https://web.archive.org/web/20240511033402/http://micro.soonlabel.com/53edo/20130903_Kleismic{{lbrack}}15{{rbrack}}.mp3 play] – in [[53edo]]

	== References ==		== References ==

Yourmusic Productions: Expansion.

2025-11-10T10:36:08Z

Expansion.

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	'''Keemun''' is an [[extension]] of the [[hanson]] temperament, and [[tempering out\|tempers out]] [[49/48]], [[56/55]], and [[100/99]] in the [[11-limit]]. ~~Edos~~ that support keemun ~~include~~ [[15edo]], [[19edo]], and [[34edo]].		'''Keemun''' is an [[extension]] of the [[hanson]] temperament, and [[tempering out\|tempers out]] [[49/48]], [[56/55]], and [[100/99]] in the [[11-limit]]. This means it uses the same simple mappings for the 7th and 11th harmonics as [[orgone]]. Unfortunately, the optimal tunings for the 3rd and 5th harmonics is substantially flatter than that for the 7th & 11th ones, requiring you to compromise one set for the other. The edos that support keemun in their patent vals are [[4edo]], [[15edo]], [[19edo]], and [[34edo]], with [[49edo\|49d]] and [[64edo\|64bde]] coming closer to balancing the errors equally.

	See [[Kleismic family #Keemun]] for technical data.		See [[Kleismic family #Keemun]] for technical data.

FloraC: - parent category

2025-04-28T14:18:38Z

- parent category

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	[[Category:~~Temperaments~~]]		[[Category:Keemun\| ]] <!-- main article -->
	[[Category:Rank-2 temperaments]]		[[Category:Rank-2 temperaments]]
	~~[[Category:Keemun]]~~
	[[Category:Kleismic family]]		[[Category:Kleismic family]]
	[[Category:Starling temperaments]]		[[Category:Starling temperaments]]
	[[Category:Listen]]		[[Category:Listen]]

FloraC: This article already starts with "keemun is an extension of the hanson temperament", so I can't see how this thing helps. Whatever its relation to hanson is, we're documenting this temp as a coherent 7-limit structure

2025-04-21T13:45:17Z

This article already starts with "keemun is an extension of the hanson temperament", so I can't see how this thing helps. Whatever its relation to hanson is, we're documenting this temp as a coherent 7-limit structure

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	~~{{Breadcrumb\|Hanson and cata}}~~

	'''Keemun''' is an [[extension]] of the [[hanson]] temperament, and [[tempering out\|tempers out]] [[49/48]], [[56/55]], and [[100/99]] in the [[11-limit]]. Edos that support keemun include [[15edo]], [[19edo]], and [[34edo]].		'''Keemun''' is an [[extension]] of the [[hanson]] temperament, and [[tempering out\|tempers out]] [[49/48]], [[56/55]], and [[100/99]] in the [[11-limit]]. Edos that support keemun include [[15edo]], [[19edo]], and [[34edo]].

Lériendil: keemun does extend hanson and cata; the fact that it historically was considered somewhat canonical is rather irrelevant today

2025-04-20T13:14:09Z

keemun *does* extend hanson and cata; the fact that it historically was considered somewhat canonical is rather irrelevant today

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			{{Breadcrumb\|Hanson and cata}}

	'''Keemun''' is an [[extension]] of the [[hanson]] temperament, and [[tempering out\|tempers out]] [[49/48]], [[56/55]], and [[100/99]] in the [[11-limit]]. Edos that support keemun include [[15edo]], [[19edo]], and [[34edo]].		'''Keemun''' is an [[extension]] of the [[hanson]] temperament, and [[tempering out\|tempers out]] [[49/48]], [[56/55]], and [[100/99]] in the [[11-limit]]. Edos that support keemun include [[15edo]], [[19edo]], and [[34edo]].