Insatinismic - Revision history

Eufalesio: Add-29,31 are a pain to use, acknowledge, WIP

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Add-29,31 are a pain to use, acknowledge, WIP

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	Insatinismic is a [[rank-5 temperament]] for the ~~add~~-29-19-limit that is a [[weak extension]] of [[5767168/5767125#Insanismic\|insanismic]] and a detemperament of [[~~cassaschismic~~]]. It is not a member of any known temperament family or clan.		Insatinismic is a [[Catalog of rank-5 temperaments\|rank-5 temperament]] for the [[19-limit]] and no-23 [[31-limit]] that is a [[weak extension]] of [[5767168/5767125#Insanismic\|insanismic]] and a detemperament of [[septischismic]]. It is not a member of any known temperament family or clan.

	Data below is given because infobox regtemp doesn't work with rank-5 temperaments:{{Databox\|Temperament data\|2=[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19		Data below is given because infobox regtemp doesn't work with rank-5 temperaments:{{Databox\|Temperament data\|2=[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19
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	As a weak extension of insanismic, it does the following:		As a weak extension of insanismic, it does the following:

	* The fifth generator is trisected for primes 11, 13 and 29, and can be instead taken to be ~1540/1539, or a redundant pair of 4096/4095~4225/4224 and 10241/10240. 10241/10240 is used to reached 17/16 and 19/16.		* The fifth generator is trisected for primes 11, 13 and 29, and can be instead taken to be ~1540/1539, or a redundant pair of 4096/4095~4225/4224 and 10241/10240. 10241/10240 is used to reached 17/16, 19/16 and 31/16.

			=== Add-29,31 extension ===
			Insatinismic is worse at extending to the no-23 31-limit, since it requires detempering from the suboptimal septischismic add-29,31 basis 53k & 217k & 311k, instead of 217 & 270 & 311. This adds the commas 176176/176175 and 178126/178125 into the list, where prime 29 has the most error out of all, around ~3x as much - still, just 0.003 cents. Prime 31 fits much better into the temperament.

	== Notation ==		== Notation ==

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	* 17/16: minor second + septimal comma - buzzardma + aberschisma + schisma - 3 minas - tina		* 17/16: minor second + septimal comma - buzzardma + aberschisma + schisma - 3 minas - tina
	* 19/16: minor third + schisma + 3 minas + tina		* 19/16: minor third + schisma + 3 minas + tina
	* 29/16: minor seventh + septimal comma + buzzardma - aberschisma - 2 schismas - 7 minas OR minor seventh + septimal comma + buzzardma - 3 aberschismas + 10 minas - 3 tinas		* 29/16: minor seventh + septimal comma + buzzardma - aberschisma - 2 schismas - 7 minas <br>OR minor seventh + septimal comma + buzzardma - 3 aberschismas + 10 minas - 3 tinas

	And any interval between them can be found by subtracting each accidental independently, keeping in mind that an excess of septimal commas can be converted into buzzardmas.		And any interval between them can be found by subtracting each accidental independently, keeping in mind that an excess of septimal commas can be converted into buzzardmas.

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	* 17/16: minor second + septimal comma - buzzardma + aberschisma + schisma - 3 minas - tina		* 17/16: minor second + septimal comma - buzzardma + aberschisma + schisma - 3 minas - tina
	* 19/16: minor third + schisma + 3 minas + tina		* 19/16: minor third + schisma + 3 minas + tina
	* 29/16: minor seventh + septimal comma + buzzardma - aberschisma - 2 schismas - 7 minas OR minor seventh + septimal comma + buzzardma - 3 aberschismas + 10 minas - 3 tinas		* 29/16: minor seventh + septimal comma + buzzardma - aberschisma - 2 schismas - 7 minas OR minor seventh + septimal comma + buzzardma - 3 aberschismas + 10 minas - 3 tinas

	And any interval between them can be found by subtracting each accidental independently, keeping in mind that an excess of septimal commas can be converted into buzzardmas.		And any interval between them can be found by subtracting each accidental independently, keeping in mind that an excess of septimal commas can be converted into buzzardmas.

Eufalesio: Oh and also ET sequence for add-29 missing and image update. WIP

2026-08-05T18:22:10Z

Oh and also ET sequence for add-29 missing and image update. WIP

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	=== Minimal Insatinismic notation{{Idiosyncratic}} ===		=== Minimal Insatinismic notation{{Idiosyncratic}} ===
	This notation is a direct mapping retrieved from [[Sintel]]'s temperament evaluator [https://sintel.pythonanywhere.com/result?subgroup=19&reduce=spine&weights=~~unweighted~~&target=&edos=53%2C94%~~2C270~~%2C3395%2C8539&submit_edo=submit&commas= here], shuffling the generators to have them be in decreasing order of size. Either way, it requires 5 pairs of accidentals to fully notate on a score.		This notation is a direct mapping retrieved from [[Sintel]]'s temperament evaluator [https://sintel.pythonanywhere.com/result?subgroup=2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19.29&reduce=spine&weights=weil&target=&edos=53%2C94%2C217%2C3395%2C8539&submit_edo=submit&commas= here], shuffling the generators to have them be in decreasing order of size. Either way, it requires 5 pairs of accidentals to fully notate on a score.
	* Sharps/Flats		* Sharps/Flats
	* Pythagorean commas		* Pythagorean commas

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2026-08-05T18:21:22Z

New info about add-29!

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	Insatinismic is a [[rank-5 temperament]] that is a [[weak extension]] of [[5767168/5767125#Insanismic\|insanismic]] and a detemperament of [[cassaschismic]]. It is not a member of any known temperament family or clan.		Insatinismic is a [[rank-5 temperament]] for the add-29-19-limit that is a [[weak extension]] of [[5767168/5767125#Insanismic\|insanismic]] and a detemperament of [[cassaschismic]]. It is not a member of any known temperament family or clan.

	Data below is given because infobox regtemp doesn't work with rank-5 temperaments:{{Databox\|Temperament data\|2=[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19		Data below is given because infobox regtemp doesn't work with rank-5 temperaments:{{Databox\|Temperament data\|2=[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19
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	Optimal ET sequence: {{EDOs\|41g, 53, 94, 176g, 217, 270, 311, 487, 581, 1115g, 1385, 1696, 1966, 2597, 2814, 3084, 3178, 3395, 5144, 6573, 7958, 8269, 8539, 11934, 16808, 20203}}.		Optimal ET sequence: {{EDOs\|41g, 53, 94, 176g, 217, 270, 311, 487, 581, 1115g, 1385, 1696, 1966, 2597, 2814, 3084, 3178, 3395, 5144, 6573, 7958, 8269, 8539, 11934, 16808, 20203}}.

	Badness (Sintel): 0.279}}Ploidacots, pergens, MOS scales and odd-limit detunings are unapplicable or too convoluted to be descriptive.		Badness (Sintel): 0.279<br>

			[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19.29<br>[[Comma list]]: 5767168/5767125, [[11413376/11413325]], [[633556/633555]], [[176176/176175]]

			[[Mapping]]: [⟨ 1 0 0 0 5 8 -9 0 19 ],
			⟨ 0 1 0 0 0 0 -2 1 -3 ],
			⟨ 0 0 1 0 0 -1 -2 1 -3 ],
			⟨ 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 2 3 ],
			<nowiki>⟨ 0 0 0 0 -9 -3 8 -8 -21 ]]</nowiki>

			Mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5, ~7, ~608/385

			[[Optimal tuning\|Optimal tunings]]

			: [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.999454¢, ~3/2 = 701.955619¢, ~5/4 = 386.314591¢, ~7/4 = 968.825991¢, ~385/608 = -791.051281¢
			: error map: -0.000546 0.000618 0.000877 0.000084 -0.000591 -0.000463 0.00017 -0.001072 0.001239

			Badness (Sintel): 0.354}}Ploidacots, pergens, MOS scales and odd-limit detunings are unapplicable or too convoluted to be descriptive.

	As a detemperament of cassaschismic, it does the following:		As a detemperament of cassaschismic, it does the following:
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	As a weak extension of insanismic, it does the following:		As a weak extension of insanismic, it does the following:

	* The fifth generator is trisected for primes 11 and 13, and can be instead taken to be ~1540/1539, or a redundant pair of 4096/4095~4225/4224 and 10241/10240. 10241/10240 is used to reached 17/16 and 19/16.		* The fifth generator is trisected for primes 11, 13 and 29, and can be instead taken to be ~1540/1539, or a redundant pair of 4096/4095~4225/4224 and 10241/10240. 10241/10240 is used to reached 17/16 and 19/16.

	== Notation ==		== Notation ==
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	=== Minimal Insatinismic notation{{Idiosyncratic}} ===		=== Minimal Insatinismic notation{{Idiosyncratic}} ===
	This notation is a direct mapping retrieved from [[Sintel]]'s temperament evaluator [https://sintel.pythonanywhere.com/result?subgroup=19&reduce=spine&weights=unweighted&target=&edos=53%2C94%2C270%2C3395%2C8539&submit_edo=submit&commas= here], shuffling the generators to have them be in decreasing order of size. Either way, it requires 5 pairs of accidentals to notate ~~fully~~		This notation is a direct mapping retrieved from [[Sintel]]'s temperament evaluator [https://sintel.pythonanywhere.com/result?subgroup=19&reduce=spine&weights=unweighted&target=&edos=53%2C94%2C270%2C3395%2C8539&submit_edo=submit&commas= here], shuffling the generators to have them be in decreasing order of size. Either way, it requires 5 pairs of accidentals to fully notate on a score.
	* Sharps/Flats		* Sharps/Flats
	* Pythagorean commas		* Pythagorean commas
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	* 17/16: '''major''' second - 4 pythagorean commas + 2 schismas - 8 kevolismas		* 17/16: '''major''' second - 4 pythagorean commas + 2 schismas - 8 kevolismas
	* 19/16: minor third + schisma - 2 garischismas + 8 kevolismas		* 19/16: minor third + schisma - 2 garischismas + 8 kevolismas
			* 29/16: '''major sixth''' + 5 pythagorean commas - 3 schismas - 3 garischismas + 21 kevolismas
	The notation can be equivalently and naively described as using:		The notation can be equivalently and naively described as using:

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	Any of the above expressions can be rewritten by converting syntonic comma = pythagorean comma - schisma; septimal comma = pythagorean comma + garischisma.		Any of the above expressions can be rewritten by converting syntonic comma = pythagorean comma - schisma; septimal comma = pythagorean comma + garischisma.

	A redundant accidental, the [[mercator comma]], can be introduced to keep the amount of pythagorean commas needed less than two, since it is the difference between 4 pythagorean commas and one limma. 17/16 is a type of '''major''' second. Using a mercator comma allows it to be respelled as a minor second + pythagorean comma - mercator comma... etc.		A redundant accidental, the [[mercator comma]], can be introduced to keep the amount of pythagorean commas needed less than two, since it is the difference between 4 pythagorean commas and one limma. 17/16 is a type of '''major''' second. Using a mercator comma allows it to be respelled as a minor second + pythagorean comma - mercator comma... etc. Same with 29/16, which instead of being spelt a major sixth can be spelt a minor seventh + pythagorean comma + mercator comma... etc.

	=== Eufalesio's ULTRAOLYMPIC [sic] notation ===		=== Eufalesio's ULTRAOLYMPIC [sic] notation ===
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	* 17/16: minor second + septimal comma - buzzardma + aberschisma + schisma - 3 minas - tina		* 17/16: minor second + septimal comma - buzzardma + aberschisma + schisma - 3 minas - tina
	* 19/16: minor third + schisma + 3 minas + tina		* 19/16: minor third + schisma + 3 minas + tina
			* 29/16: minor seventh + septimal comma + buzzardma - aberschisma - 2 schismas - 7 minas OR minor seventh + septimal comma + buzzardma - 3 aberschismas + 10 minas - 3 tinas

	And any interval between them can be found by subtracting each accidental independently.		And any interval between them can be found by subtracting each accidental independently, keeping in mind that an excess of septimal commas can be converted into buzzardmas.

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	* It decouples the septimal comma from the chain of fifths (observing the garischisma),		* It decouples the septimal comma from the chain of fifths (observing the garischisma),
	* It observes 4096/4095 and 4225/4224 but tempers them together (observing the olympia and ~~ibsinma~~ too), as seen in insanismic		* It observes [[4096/4095]] and [[4225/4224]] but tempers them together (observing the [[olympia]] and [[2080/2079\|ibnsinma]] too), as seen in insanismic

	As a weak extension of insanismic, it does the following:		As a weak extension of insanismic, it does the following:
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	=== Minimal Insatinismic notation{{Idiosyncratic}} ===		=== Minimal Insatinismic notation{{Idiosyncratic}} ===
	This notation is a direct mapping retrieved from ~~sintel~~'s temperament evaluator [https://sintel.pythonanywhere.com/result?subgroup=19&reduce=spine&weights=unweighted&target=&edos=53%2C94%2C270%2C3395%2C8539&submit_edo=submit&commas= here], shuffling the generators to have them be in decreasing order of size. Either way, it requires 5 pairs of accidentals:		This notation is a direct mapping retrieved from [[Sintel]]'s temperament evaluator [https://sintel.pythonanywhere.com/result?subgroup=19&reduce=spine&weights=unweighted&target=&edos=53%2C94%2C270%2C3395%2C8539&submit_edo=submit&commas= here], shuffling the generators to have them be in decreasing order of size. Either way, it requires 5 pairs of accidentals to notate fully
	* Sharps/Flats		* Sharps/Flats
	* Pythagorean commas		* Pythagorean commas
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	=== Eufalesio's ULTRAOLYMPIC [sic] notation ===		=== Eufalesio's ULTRAOLYMPIC [sic] notation ===
	[[Eufalesio]] had devised a somewhat accessible notation of differently sized accidentals can be devised by reusing the suit of accidentals that is used for 12e, cassandra, ~~and~~ cassaschismic, and expanding upon them to accomodate the minuscule alterations. This has the benefit of being a natural representation of olympic, keeping the representations of primes 2-13,19 as simple as possible.		[[Eufalesio]] had devised a somewhat accessible notation of differently sized accidentals can be devised by reusing the suit of accidentals that is used for 12e, cassandra, cassaschismic, and expanding upon them to accomodate the minuscule alterations. This has the benefit of being a natural representation of [[olympic]], keeping the representations of primes 2-13,19 as simple as possible.
	[[File:ULTRAOLYMPIANsymbolset.jpg\|center\|thumb\|960x960px]]		[[File:ULTRAOLYMPIANsymbolset.jpg\|center\|thumb\|960x960px]]
	Buzzardmas are to ULTRAOLYMPIC notation what mercator commas are to minimal. They are the difference between 4 arrow-unison and a minor second, only that the arrow here is a septimal comma, not a pythagorean one.		Buzzardmas are to ULTRAOLYMPIC notation what mercator commas are to minimal. They are the difference between 4 arrow-unison and a minor second, only that the arrow here is a '''septimal''' comma, not a pythagorean one.

	Thus, as seen in the notation, octave reduced harmonics can be described as follows:		Thus, as seen in the notation, octave reduced harmonics can be described as follows:

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Insatinismic is a [[rank-5 temperament]] that is a [[weak extension]] of [[5767168/5767125#Insanismic|insanismic]] and a detemperament of [[cassaschismic]]. It is not a member of any known temperament family or clan.

Data below is given because infobox regtemp doesn't work with rank-5 temperaments:{{Databox|Temperament data|2=[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19
[[Comma list]]: 5767168/5767125, [[11413376/11413325]], [[633556/633555]]

[[Mapping]]: [⟨ 1 0 0 0 5 8 -9 0 ],
⟨ 0 1 0 0 0 0 -2 1 ],
⟨ 0 0 1 0 0 -1 -2 1 ],
⟨ 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 2 ],
<nowiki>⟨ 0 0 0 0 -9 -3 8 -8 ]]</nowiki>

Mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5, ~7, ~608/385

[[Optimal tuning|Optimal tunings]]

: [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.999542¢, ~3/2 = 701.955847¢, ~5/4 = 386.315423¢, ~7/4 = 968.827501¢, ~385/608 = -791.051331¢
: error map: -0.000458 0.000388 0.000793 0.000678 -0.000238 0.000173 -0.000847 -0.000598
: [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1199.999542¢, ~3/2 = 701.955948¢, ~5/4 = 386.315507¢, ~7/4 = 968.827700¢, ~385/608 = -791.051640¢
: error map: 0.000000 0.000947 0.001794 0.001794 0.00095 0.001912 0.000618 0.000724

Optimal ET sequence: {{EDOs|41g, 53, 94, 176g, 217, 270, 311, 487, 581, 1115g, 1385, 1696, 1966, 2597, 2814, 3084, 3178, 3395, 5144, 6573, 7958, 8269, 8539, 11934, 16808, 20203}}.

Badness (Sintel): 0.279}}Ploidacots, pergens, MOS scales and odd-limit detunings are unapplicable or too convoluted to be descriptive.

As a detemperament of cassaschismic, it does the following:

* It decouples the septimal comma from the chain of fifths (observing the garischisma),
* It observes 4096/4095 and 4225/4224 but tempers them together (observing the olympia and ibsinma too), as seen in insanismic

As a weak extension of insanismic, it does the following:

* The fifth generator is trisected for primes 11 and 13, and can be instead taken to be ~1540/1539, or a redundant pair of 4096/4095~4225/4224 and 10241/10240. 10241/10240 is used to reached 17/16 and 19/16.

== Notation ==
Because this is a rank-5 temperament, there is no good way of visualizing intervals in a neatly compressed lattice, however, it can be somewhat easily notated with the following accidentals:

=== Minimal Insatinismic notation{{Idiosyncratic}} ===
This notation is a direct mapping retrieved from sintel's temperament evaluator [https://sintel.pythonanywhere.com/result?subgroup=19&reduce=spine&weights=unweighted&target=&edos=53%2C94%2C270%2C3395%2C8539&submit_edo=submit&commas= here], shuffling the generators to have them be in decreasing order of size. Either way, it requires 5 pairs of accidentals:
* Sharps/Flats
* Pythagorean commas
* Garischismas
* Schismas
* [[1540/1539|Kevolismas]]

Through this notation, octave reduced harmonics can be described as follows:
* 2/1: octave
* 3/2: fifth
* 5/4: major third - pythagorean comma + schisma
* 7/4: minor seventh - pythagorean comma - garischisma
* 11/8: fourth + 2 pythagorean commas + 3 garischismas - 9 kevolismas
* 13/8: minor sixth + 2 pythagorean commas - schisma - 3 kevolismas
* 17/16: '''major''' second - 4 pythagorean commas + 2 schismas - 8 kevolismas
* 19/16: minor third + schisma - 2 garischismas + 8 kevolismas
The notation can be equivalently and naively described as using:

*Sharps/Flats
*'''Septimal commas'''
*Pythagorean commas
* '''Syntonic commas'''
* Kevolismas

Any of the above expressions can be rewritten by converting syntonic comma = pythagorean comma - schisma; septimal comma = pythagorean comma + garischisma.

A redundant accidental, the [[mercator comma]], can be introduced to keep the amount of pythagorean commas needed less than two, since it is the difference between 4 pythagorean commas and one limma. 17/16 is a type of '''major''' second. Using a mercator comma allows it to be respelled as a minor second + pythagorean comma - mercator comma... etc.

=== Eufalesio's ULTRAOLYMPIC [sic] notation ===
[[Eufalesio]] had devised a somewhat accessible notation of differently sized accidentals can be devised by reusing the suit of accidentals that is used for 12e, cassandra, and cassaschismic, and expanding upon them to accomodate the minuscule alterations. This has the benefit of being a natural representation of olympic, keeping the representations of primes 2-13,19 as simple as possible.
[[File:ULTRAOLYMPIANsymbolset.jpg|center|thumb|960x960px]]
Buzzardmas are to ULTRAOLYMPIC notation what mercator commas are to minimal. They are the difference between 4 arrow-unison and a minor second, only that the arrow here is a septimal comma, not a pythagorean one.

Thus, as seen in the notation, octave reduced harmonics can be described as follows:

* 2/1: octave
* 3/2: fifth
* 5/4: major third - septimal comma + aberschisma
* 7/4: minor seventh - septimal comma
* 11/8: fourth + 2 septimal commas - 3 minas
* 13/8: minor sixth + 2 septimal commas - aberschisma - mina
* 17/16: minor second + septimal comma - buzzardma + aberschisma + schisma - 3 minas - tina
* 19/16: minor third + schisma + 3 minas + tina

And any interval between them can be found by subtracting each accidental independently.