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Lériendil at 18:14, 14 April 2025

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Aura: /* Terms */Fixed some typos.

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Terms: Fixed some typos.

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	Each of these rules contains terms that require explanation- especially for purposes of generalizing these rules to other [[EDO]]s.		Each of these rules contains terms that require explanation- especially for purposes of generalizing these rules to other [[EDO]]s.

	A '''friend''' here is defined as a note separated from the starting note by either a close approximation of an [[LCJI]] interval, or else, a close approximation of a [[Delta-rational chord\|delta-rational]] interval, without being too close to one another in acoustic proximity. Friends are most frequently prefect consonances, such as [[3/2]] or [[4/3]], imperfect consonances such as [[5/4]] or [[8/5]], or ambisonances such as [[7/4]] ~~and~~ [[8/7]]. However, sometimes imperfect dissonances also meet the definition of a friend, for example, a neutral third like [[11/9]].		A '''friend''' here is defined as a note separated from the starting note by either a close approximation of an [[LCJI]] interval, or else, a close approximation of a [[Delta-rational chord\|delta-rational]] interval, without being too close to one another in acoustic proximity. Friends are most frequently prefect consonances such as [[3/2]] or [[4/3]], imperfect consonances such as [[5/4]] or [[8/5]], or ambisonances such as [[7/4]] or [[8/7]]. However, sometimes imperfect dissonances also meet the definition of a friend, for example, a neutral third like [[11/9]].

	An '''enemy''' is defined here as a note separated from the starting note by an interval that causes intense discordance, or else, does not easily connect the two notes through LCJI or through delta-rational relationships. Perfect dissonances are always enemies in some capacity or other, while imperfect dissonances are less likely to meet this criterion. Just about the only way to get away with enemies in a chord is to space them really far apart.		An '''enemy''' is defined here as a note separated from the starting note by an interval that causes intense discordance, or else, does not easily connect the two notes through LCJI or through delta-rational relationships. Perfect dissonances are always enemies in some capacity or other, while imperfect dissonances are less likely to meet this criterion. Just about the only way to get away with enemies in a chord is to space them really far apart.

Fredg999 category edits: Categories

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Aura at 16:48, 9 November 2022

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	A '''friend''' here is defined as a note separated from the starting note by either a close approximation of an [[LCJI]] interval, or else, a close approximation of a [[Delta-rational chord\|delta-rational]] interval, without being too close to one another in acoustic proximity. Friends are most frequently prefect consonances, such as [[3/2]] or [[4/3]], imperfect consonances such as [[5/4]] or [[8/5]], or ambisonances such as [[7/4]] and [[8/7]]. However, sometimes imperfect dissonances also meet the definition of a friend, for example, a neutral third like [[11/9]].		A '''friend''' here is defined as a note separated from the starting note by either a close approximation of an [[LCJI]] interval, or else, a close approximation of a [[Delta-rational chord\|delta-rational]] interval, without being too close to one another in acoustic proximity. Friends are most frequently prefect consonances, such as [[3/2]] or [[4/3]], imperfect consonances such as [[5/4]] or [[8/5]], or ambisonances such as [[7/4]] and [[8/7]]. However, sometimes imperfect dissonances also meet the definition of a friend, for example, a neutral third like [[11/9]].

	An '''enemy''' is defined here as a note separated from the starting note by an interval that causes intense discordance, or else, does not easily connect the two notes through LCJI or through delta-rational relationships. Perfect dissonances are always enemies in some capacity or other, while imperfect dissonances are less likely to meet this criterion.		An '''enemy''' is defined here as a note separated from the starting note by an interval that causes intense discordance, or else, does not easily connect the two notes through LCJI or through delta-rational relationships. Perfect dissonances are always enemies in some capacity or other, while imperfect dissonances are less likely to meet this criterion. Just about the only way to get away with enemies in a chord is to space them really far apart.

	Friends and enemies are basically the two ends of a spectrum of compatibility. In higher EDO systems, this spectrum comes noticeably into play, and a numerical compatibility rating along this spectrum is generally going to be helpful. Furthermore, some notes can be called '''frenemies''' since they meet the definition of either an enemy or a friend only part of the time, or else, meet the definitions of both at the same time. In addition, one frequently has to worry about "ratio ambiguity"- that is, notes which can have more than one relationship to each other.		Friends and enemies are basically the two ends of a spectrum of compatibility. In higher EDO systems, this spectrum comes noticeably into play, and a numerical compatibility rating along this spectrum is generally going to be helpful. Furthermore, some notes can be called '''frenemies''' since they meet the definition of either an enemy or a friend only part of the time, or else, meet the definitions of both at the same time. In addition, one frequently has to worry about "ratio ambiguity"- that is, notes which can have more than one relationship to each other.

Aura at 16:47, 9 November 2022

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	* Every chord must be comprised of a chain of friends in which each note is a friend to every other note		* Every chord must be comprised of a chain of friends in which each note is a friend to every other note
	* No note can have an enemy ~~except in tension chords~~		* No note can have an enemy
	* No crowding except in tension chords		* No crowding except in tension chords

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	Each of these rules contains terms that require explanation- especially for purposes of generalizing these rules to other [[EDO]]s.		Each of these rules contains terms that require explanation- especially for purposes of generalizing these rules to other [[EDO]]s.

	A '''friend''' here is defined as a note separated from the starting note by either a close approximation of an [[LCJI]] interval, or else, a close approximation of a [[Delta-rational chord\|delta-rational]] interval, without being too close to one another in acoustic proximity. Friends are most frequently prefect consonances, such as [[3/2]] or [[4/3]], imperfect consonances such as [[5/4]] or [[8/5]], or ambisonances such as [[7/4]] and [[8/7]]. However, sometimes imperfect dissonances also meet the definition of a friend, for example, neutral third like [[11/9]].		A '''friend''' here is defined as a note separated from the starting note by either a close approximation of an [[LCJI]] interval, or else, a close approximation of a [[Delta-rational chord\|delta-rational]] interval, without being too close to one another in acoustic proximity. Friends are most frequently prefect consonances, such as [[3/2]] or [[4/3]], imperfect consonances such as [[5/4]] or [[8/5]], or ambisonances such as [[7/4]] and [[8/7]]. However, sometimes imperfect dissonances also meet the definition of a friend, for example, a neutral third like [[11/9]].

	An '''enemy''' is defined here as a note separated from the starting note by an interval that causes intense discordance, or else, does not easily connect the two notes through LCJI or through delta-rational relationships. ~~It should be noted that perfect~~ dissonances are always enemies, ~~but~~ imperfect dissonances ~~sometimes also~~ meet this criterion.		An '''enemy''' is defined here as a note separated from the starting note by an interval that causes intense discordance, or else, does not easily connect the two notes through LCJI or through delta-rational relationships. Perfect dissonances are always enemies in some capacity or other, while imperfect dissonances are less likely to meet this criterion.

	Friends and enemies are basically the two ends of a spectrum of compatibility. In higher EDO systems, this spectrum comes noticeably into play, and a numerical compatibility rating along this spectrum is generally going to be helpful. Furthermore, some notes can be called '''frenemies''' since they meet the definition of either an enemy or a friend only part of the time. In addition, one frequently has to worry about "ratio ambiguity"- that is, notes which can have more than one relationship to each other.		Friends and enemies are basically the two ends of a spectrum of compatibility. In higher EDO systems, this spectrum comes noticeably into play, and a numerical compatibility rating along this spectrum is generally going to be helpful. Furthermore, some notes can be called '''frenemies''' since they meet the definition of either an enemy or a friend only part of the time, or else, meet the definitions of both at the same time. In addition, one frequently has to worry about "ratio ambiguity"- that is, notes which can have more than one relationship to each other.

	The phenomenon of '''crowding''' is a major source of dissonance. Specifically, it results when an interval separating two notes is either too small or too close to an octave-reduplication of the starting note. Perhaps the most common examples of intervals that cause this are [[9/8]] and [[15/8]], though intervals such as [[17/15]] are also known to cause crowding.		The phenomenon of '''crowding''' is a major source of dissonance. Specifically, it results when an interval separating two notes is either too small or too close to an octave-reduplication of the starting note. Perhaps the most common examples of intervals that cause this are [[9/8]] and [[15/8]], though intervals such as [[17/15]] are also known to cause crowding.

Aura at 16:14, 9 November 2022

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	An '''enemy''' is defined here as a note separated from the starting note by an interval that causes intense discordance, or else, does not easily connect the two notes through LCJI or through delta-rational relationships. It should be noted that perfect dissonances are always enemies, but imperfect dissonances sometimes also meet this criterion.		An '''enemy''' is defined here as a note separated from the starting note by an interval that causes intense discordance, or else, does not easily connect the two notes through LCJI or through delta-rational relationships. It should be noted that perfect dissonances are always enemies, but imperfect dissonances sometimes also meet this criterion.

	Friends and enemies are basically the two ends of a spectrum of compatibility. In higher EDO systems, this spectrum comes noticeably into play, and a numerical compatibility rating along this spectrum is generally going to be helpful. Furthermore, some notes can be called '''frenemies''' since they meet the definition of either an enemy or a friend only part of the time.		Friends and enemies are basically the two ends of a spectrum of compatibility. In higher EDO systems, this spectrum comes noticeably into play, and a numerical compatibility rating along this spectrum is generally going to be helpful. Furthermore, some notes can be called '''frenemies''' since they meet the definition of either an enemy or a friend only part of the time. In addition, one frequently has to worry about "ratio ambiguity"- that is, notes which can have more than one relationship to each other.

	The phenomenon of '''crowding''' is a major source of dissonance~~, specifically~~, it results when an interval separating two notes is either too small or too close to an octave-reduplication of the starting note. Perhaps the most common examples of intervals that cause this are [[9/8]] and [[15/8]], though intervals such as [[17/15]] are also known to cause crowding.		The phenomenon of '''crowding''' is a major source of dissonance. Specifically, it results when an interval separating two notes is either too small or too close to an octave-reduplication of the starting note. Perhaps the most common examples of intervals that cause this are [[9/8]] and [[15/8]], though intervals such as [[17/15]] are also known to cause crowding.

	== Application Examples ==		== Application Examples ==

Aura at 16:11, 9 November 2022

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	A '''friend''' here is defined as a note separated from the starting note by either a close approximation of an [[LCJI]] interval, or else, a close approximation of a [[Delta-rational chord\|delta-rational]] interval, without being too close to one another in acoustic proximity. Friends are most frequently prefect consonances, such as [[3/2]] or [[4/3]], imperfect consonances such as [[5/4]] or [[8/5]], or ambisonances such as [[7/4]] and [[8/7]]. However, sometimes imperfect dissonances also meet the definition of a friend, for example, neutral third like [[11/9]].		A '''friend''' here is defined as a note separated from the starting note by either a close approximation of an [[LCJI]] interval, or else, a close approximation of a [[Delta-rational chord\|delta-rational]] interval, without being too close to one another in acoustic proximity. Friends are most frequently prefect consonances, such as [[3/2]] or [[4/3]], imperfect consonances such as [[5/4]] or [[8/5]], or ambisonances such as [[7/4]] and [[8/7]]. However, sometimes imperfect dissonances also meet the definition of a friend, for example, neutral third like [[11/9]].

	An '''enemy''' is defined here as a note separated from the starting note by an interval that causes intense discordance, or else, does not easily connect the two notes through LCJI or through delta-rational relationships. It should be noted that perfect dissonances are always enemies, but imperfect dissonances sometimes also meet this criterion. Furthermore, some notes can be called "''frenemies''" since they meet the definition of an enemy only part of the time.		An '''enemy''' is defined here as a note separated from the starting note by an interval that causes intense discordance, or else, does not easily connect the two notes through LCJI or through delta-rational relationships. It should be noted that perfect dissonances are always enemies, but imperfect dissonances sometimes also meet this criterion.

			Friends and enemies are basically the two ends of a spectrum of compatibility. In higher EDO systems, this spectrum comes noticeably into play, and a numerical compatibility rating along this spectrum is generally going to be helpful. Furthermore, some notes can be called '''frenemies''' since they meet the definition of either an enemy or a friend only part of the time.

	The phenomenon of '''crowding''' is a major source of dissonance, specifically, it results when an interval separating two notes is either too small or too close to an octave-reduplication of the starting note. Perhaps the most common examples of intervals that cause this are [[9/8]] and [[15/8]], though intervals such as [[17/15]] are also known to cause crowding.		The phenomenon of '''crowding''' is a major source of dissonance, specifically, it results when an interval separating two notes is either too small or too close to an octave-reduplication of the starting note. Perhaps the most common examples of intervals that cause this are [[9/8]] and [[15/8]], though intervals such as [[17/15]] are also known to cause crowding.

Aura at 15:51, 8 November 2022

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	A '''friend''' here is defined as a note separated from the starting note by either a close approximation of an [[LCJI]] interval, or else, a close approximation of a [[Delta-rational chord\|delta-rational]] interval, without being too close to one another in acoustic proximity. Friends are most frequently prefect consonances, such as [[3/2]] or [[4/3]], imperfect consonances such as [[5/4]] or [[8/5]], or ambisonances such as [[7/4]] and [[8/7]]. However, sometimes imperfect dissonances also meet the definition of a friend, for example, neutral third like [[11/9]].		A '''friend''' here is defined as a note separated from the starting note by either a close approximation of an [[LCJI]] interval, or else, a close approximation of a [[Delta-rational chord\|delta-rational]] interval, without being too close to one another in acoustic proximity. Friends are most frequently prefect consonances, such as [[3/2]] or [[4/3]], imperfect consonances such as [[5/4]] or [[8/5]], or ambisonances such as [[7/4]] and [[8/7]]. However, sometimes imperfect dissonances also meet the definition of a friend, for example, neutral third like [[11/9]].

	An '''enemy''' is defined here as a note separated from the starting note by an interval that causes intense discordance, or else, does not easily connect the two notes through LCJI or through delta-rational relationships. It should be noted that perfect dissonances are always enemies, but imperfect dissonances sometimes also meet this ~~criteron~~. Furthermore, some notes can be called "''frenemies''" since they meet the definition of an enemy only part of the time.		An '''enemy''' is defined here as a note separated from the starting note by an interval that causes intense discordance, or else, does not easily connect the two notes through LCJI or through delta-rational relationships. It should be noted that perfect dissonances are always enemies, but imperfect dissonances sometimes also meet this criterion. Furthermore, some notes can be called "''frenemies''" since they meet the definition of an enemy only part of the time.

	The phenomenon of '''crowding''' is a major source of dissonance, specifically, it results when an interval separating two notes is either too small or too close to an octave-reduplication of the starting note. Perhaps the most common examples of intervals that cause this are [[9/8]] and [[15/8]], though intervals such as [[17/15]] are also known to cause crowding~~. It should be noted that crowding is sometimes deliberately exploited as a dissonance that requires resolution~~.		The phenomenon of '''crowding''' is a major source of dissonance, specifically, it results when an interval separating two notes is either too small or too close to an octave-reduplication of the starting note. Perhaps the most common examples of intervals that cause this are [[9/8]] and [[15/8]], though intervals such as [[17/15]] are also known to cause crowding.

	== Application Examples ==		== Application Examples ==

Aura: /* Terms */Fixed typo

2022-11-08T07:54:02Z

Terms: Fixed typo

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	A '''friend''' here is defined as a note separated from the starting note by either a close approximation of an [[LCJI]] interval, or else, a close approximation of a [[Delta-rational chord\|delta-rational]] interval, without being too close to one another in acoustic proximity. Friends are most frequently prefect consonances, such as [[3/2]] or [[4/3]], imperfect consonances such as [[5/4]] or [[8/5]], or ambisonances such as [[7/4]] and [[8/7]]. However, sometimes imperfect dissonances also meet the definition of a friend, for example, neutral third like [[11/9]].		A '''friend''' here is defined as a note separated from the starting note by either a close approximation of an [[LCJI]] interval, or else, a close approximation of a [[Delta-rational chord\|delta-rational]] interval, without being too close to one another in acoustic proximity. Friends are most frequently prefect consonances, such as [[3/2]] or [[4/3]], imperfect consonances such as [[5/4]] or [[8/5]], or ambisonances such as [[7/4]] and [[8/7]]. However, sometimes imperfect dissonances also meet the definition of a friend, for example, neutral third like [[11/9]].

	An '''enemy''' is defined here as a note separated from the starting note by an interval that causes intense discordance, or else, does not easily connect the two notes through LCJI or through delta-rational relationships. It should be noted that perfect dissonances are always enemies, but imperfect dissonances sometimes also meet this criteron. Furthermore, some notes can be called "''~~frienemies~~''" since they meet the definition of an enemy only part of the time.		An '''enemy''' is defined here as a note separated from the starting note by an interval that causes intense discordance, or else, does not easily connect the two notes through LCJI or through delta-rational relationships. It should be noted that perfect dissonances are always enemies, but imperfect dissonances sometimes also meet this criteron. Furthermore, some notes can be called "''frenemies''" since they meet the definition of an enemy only part of the time.

	The phenomenon of '''crowding''' is a major source of dissonance, specifically, it results when an interval separating two notes is either too small or too close to an octave-reduplication of the starting note. Perhaps the most common examples of intervals that cause this are [[9/8]] and [[15/8]], though intervals such as [[17/15]] are also known to cause crowding. It should be noted that crowding is sometimes deliberately exploited as a dissonance that requires resolution.		The phenomenon of '''crowding''' is a major source of dissonance, specifically, it results when an interval separating two notes is either too small or too close to an octave-reduplication of the starting note. Perhaps the most common examples of intervals that cause this are [[9/8]] and [[15/8]], though intervals such as [[17/15]] are also known to cause crowding. It should be noted that crowding is sometimes deliberately exploited as a dissonance that requires resolution.

Aura: Added a crucial exception to two of the rules.

2022-11-08T07:52:06Z

Added a crucial exception to two of the rules.

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	* Every chord must be comprised of a chain of friends in which each note is a friend to every other note		* Every chord must be comprised of a chain of friends in which each note is a friend to every other note
	* No note can have an enemy		* No note can have an enemy except in tension chords
	* No crowding		* No crowding except in tension chords

	Once these are taken into consideration, finding usable chords and chord progressions in systems like 24edo is considerably easier.		Once these are taken into consideration, finding usable chords and chord progressions in systems like 24edo is considerably easier.

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	~~[[Category:Dissonance]]~~
	~~[[Category:Psychoacoustics~~]]