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FloraC: Redirected page to Diesis#As an interval region

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Redirected page to Diesis#As an interval region

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	~~The '''diesis''' is a small melodic unit of about an~~ [[~~augmented comma]]'s size. The specific range varies considerably among musicians.~~		#redirect [[Diesis #As an interval region]]

	As an interval region~~, it is roughly 30-60 cents, and can be seen as the larger variety of the [[comma and diesis]].~~

	~~== Just intervals ==~~
	~~Some just intervals have been named according to this definiton of diesis.~~
	* [[Porcupine comma]], or ''maximal diesis'' (49.2 ¢)
	* [[Magic comma]], or ''small diesis'' (29.6 ¢)
	* [[Tetracot comma]], or ''minimal diesis'' (27.7 ¢)
	* [[49/48]], the ''large septimal diesis'' (35.7 ¢)
	* [[50/49]], the ''small septimal diesis'' or ''septimal tritonic diesis'' (35.0 ¢)

	This is not to be confused with the [[diesis (scale theory)\|related sense of the same term]], for which the [[648/625\|major diesis (648/625)]] was named while being way wider than the "maximal diesis".

	~~== History ==~~
	The earliest usage of the term ''diesis'' was due to {{w\|Philolaus}} in [[ancient Greek music]] to refer to an interval that is known as the [[256/243\|limma]] today. Another usage, also in ancient Greek theory and notably used by {{w\|Aristoxenus}}, would refer to a number of [[quartertone]]-sized intervals. In more recent times, {{w\|Marchetto da Padova}} used it for fifth-tones, and finally, the modern diesis centered around [[31edo\|1\31]] is due to [[Adriaan Fokker]].

	~~== See also ==~~
	* [[Diesis]] (disambiguation page)
	* [[Shimmerstep]]

	~~[[Category:Terms]]~~
	~~[[Category:Interval size measures~~]]

FloraC: FloraC moved page Diesis (melodic unit) to Diesis (interval region): To mirror kleisma (interval region)

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FloraC moved page Diesis (melodic unit) to Diesis (interval region): To mirror kleisma (interval region)

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	The '''diesis''' is a small melodic unit of about an [[augmented comma]]'s size. The specific range varies considerably among musicians.		The '''diesis''' is a small melodic unit of about an [[augmented comma]]'s size. The specific range varies considerably among musicians.

			As an interval region, it is roughly 30-60 cents, and can be seen as the larger variety of the [[comma and diesis]].

	== Just intervals ==		== Just intervals ==

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	== History ==		== History ==
	The earliest usage of the term ''diesis'' was due to {{w\|Philolaus}} in [[ancient Greek music]] to refer to an interval that is known as the [[256/243\|limma]] today. Another usage, also in ancient Greek theory and notably used by {{w\|Aristoxenus}}, would refer to a number of quartertone-sized intervals. In more recent times, {{w\|Marchetto da Padova}} used it for fifth-tones, and finally, the modern diesis centered around [[31edo\|1\31]] is due to [[Adriaan Fokker]].		The earliest usage of the term ''diesis'' was due to {{w\|Philolaus}} in [[ancient Greek music]] to refer to an interval that is known as the [[256/243\|limma]] today. Another usage, also in ancient Greek theory and notably used by {{w\|Aristoxenus}}, would refer to a number of [[quartertone]]-sized intervals. In more recent times, {{w\|Marchetto da Padova}} used it for fifth-tones, and finally, the modern diesis centered around [[31edo\|1\31]] is due to [[Adriaan Fokker]].

	== See also ==		== See also ==

FloraC: Removed redirect to Shimmerstep

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Removed redirect to Shimmerstep

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	~~#redirect~~ [[Shimmerstep]]		The '''diesis''' is a small melodic unit of about an [[augmented comma]]'s size. The specific range varies considerably among musicians.

			== Just intervals ==
			Some just intervals have been named according to this definiton of diesis.
			* [[Porcupine comma]], or ''maximal diesis'' (49.2 ¢)
			* [[Magic comma]], or ''small diesis'' (29.6 ¢)
			* [[Tetracot comma]], or ''minimal diesis'' (27.7 ¢)
			* [[49/48]], the ''large septimal diesis'' (35.7 ¢)
			* [[50/49]], the ''small septimal diesis'' or ''septimal tritonic diesis'' (35.0 ¢)

			This is not to be confused with the [[diesis (scale theory)\|related sense of the same term]], for which the [[648/625\|major diesis (648/625)]] was named while being way wider than the "maximal diesis".

			== History ==
			The earliest usage of the term ''diesis'' was due to {{w\|Philolaus}} in [[ancient Greek music]] to refer to an interval that is known as the [[256/243\|limma]] today. Another usage, also in ancient Greek theory and notably used by {{w\|Aristoxenus}}, would refer to a number of quartertone-sized intervals. In more recent times, {{w\|Marchetto da Padova}} used it for fifth-tones, and finally, the modern diesis centered around [[31edo\|1\31]] is due to [[Adriaan Fokker]].

			== See also ==
			* [[Diesis]] (disambiguation page)
			* [[Shimmerstep]]

			[[Category:Terms]]
			[[Category:Interval size measures]]

Inthar: Redirect to term also used by Zhea, to reduce overloading of "diesis"

2024-11-23T21:48:36Z

Redirect to term also used by Zhea, to reduce overloading of "diesis"

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	~~The '''diesis''' is a small melodic unit of about an~~ [[augmented comma]]'s size. It is often believed to be of some psychoacoustic significance. In particular, [[Zhea Erose]] defines it as, fairly broadly, any interval in the range 31 to 41 cents, or more narrowly 35 to 38 cents; '''shimmerstep''' is a synonymous term used by Zhea. When played in the E3–E5 range, those intervals allegedly tend to beat at the speed of typical human singing vibrato.		#redirect [[Shimmerstep]]

	~~[[Zhea Erose]] considers [[31edo]] and [[34edo]] to be special for having an interval in this range:~~
	~~<blockquote>~~
	re: the hyperstep stuff:<blockquote> Analysis of phonograph recordings of virtuoso string performers (Reger, 1932; Hollinshead, 1932) found rates ranging from 5.6 to 7 Hz (see Table 1). This research concluded that although the extent of the violin vibrato is smaller than for singing, the rates are similar. Cheslock (1931) and Small (1937) analyzed phonograph recordings of performances by Kreisler, Menuhin, Szigeti and others. Vibrato was present in almost all tones, and the mean rate was around 6.3 Hz. Results from the Iowa studies have been largely confirmed in later studies, for example, Fletcher and Sanders (1967) found vibrato rates about 6 Hz, only slightly slower than some of the early reports. Thibeault (1997) studied solo bassists and found rates ranging from 5 to 7 Hz and reported a correlation of vibrato rate with tempo of excerpts, but not with pitch register. Geringer and Allen (2004) studied vibrato characteristics of 40 high school and college violinists and cellists. We analyzed whole notes performed in first position, and we found somewhat slower rates of vibrato, 5.5 Hz.</blockquote>When we study voices in multiple singing styles and cross culturally we see the average beat rate of vibrato falls between 4.5–6.5 cycles per second. At a C4, the 31edo shimmerstep (1\31) beats at 5.75 times a second which is a clear center of human vibrato rates. Of course the perceived beat rate will change depending on the fundamental but if we take C4 as a nice "center" we see:

	~~: At a C4, 261.6 Hz,~~
	~~:: 29edo seems to beat at ~425 bpm—thus, 29's corrosive step hits at ~7 Hz.~~
	~~:: 31edo seems to beat at ~345 bpm—thus, 31's shimmerstep hits at ~5.75 Hz~~
	~~:: 34edo seems to beat at ~275 bpm—thus, 34's shimmerstep hits at ~4.583 Hz slower but still within that normal vibrato range.~~
	~~:: 41edo seems to beat at ~228 bpm—thus, 41edo's glimmerstep hits at 3.8 Hz which starts to exist outside the boundaries of vibrato typical.~~

	For this reason, that is why I tend to work a lot with 29-34 as a general pre-image of notes and why I consider them to be exceptional for overall gestalt and chord work compared to something like 41, 43 or slightly higher etc or 26 or slightly lower. Which is quite interesting because then you start to wrap around on yourself. Those zones to me are less interesting gestalts. — Zhea Erose, https://discord.com/channels/332357996569034752/859884647337033738/1014961523220815892
	~~</blockquote>~~

	~~== See also ==~~
	* [[Diesis]] (disambiguation page)

	~~[[Category:Terms]]~~
	~~[[Category:Interval size measures~~]]

ArrowHead294 at 21:41, 23 May 2024

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	: At a C4, 261.6 Hz,		: At a C4, 261.6 Hz,
	:: 29edo seems to beat at ~425 bpm{{mdash}}thus, 29's corrosive step hits at ~7 Hz.		:: 29edo seems to beat at ~425 bpm—thus, 29's corrosive step hits at ~7 Hz.
	:: 31edo seems to beat at ~345 bpm{{mdash}}thus, 31's shimmerstep hits at ~5.75 Hz		:: 31edo seems to beat at ~345 bpm—thus, 31's shimmerstep hits at ~5.75 Hz
	:: 34edo seems to beat at ~275 bpm{{mdash}}thus, 34's shimmerstep hits at ~4.583 Hz slower but still within that normal vibrato range.		:: 34edo seems to beat at ~275 bpm—thus, 34's shimmerstep hits at ~4.583 Hz slower but still within that normal vibrato range.
	:: 41edo seems to beat at ~228 bpm{{mdash}}thus, 41edo's glimmerstep hits at 3.8 Hz which starts to exist outside the boundaries of vibrato typical.		:: 41edo seems to beat at ~228 bpm—thus, 41edo's glimmerstep hits at 3.8 Hz which starts to exist outside the boundaries of vibrato typical.

	For this reason, that is why I tend to work a lot with 29-34 as a general pre-image of notes and why I consider them to be exceptional for overall gestalt and chord work compared to something like 41, 43 or slightly higher etc or 26 or slightly lower. Which is quite interesting because then you start to wrap around on yourself. Those zones to me are less interesting gestalts. — Zhea Erose, https://discord.com/channels/332357996569034752/859884647337033738/1014961523220815892		For this reason, that is why I tend to work a lot with 29-34 as a general pre-image of notes and why I consider them to be exceptional for overall gestalt and chord work compared to something like 41, 43 or slightly higher etc or 26 or slightly lower. Which is quite interesting because then you start to wrap around on yourself. Those zones to me are less interesting gestalts. — Zhea Erose, https://discord.com/channels/332357996569034752/859884647337033738/1014961523220815892

ArrowHead294 at 13:37, 23 May 2024

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	The '''diesis''' is a small melodic unit of about an [[augmented comma]]'s size. It is often believed to be of some psychoacoustic significance. In particular, [[Zhea Erose]] defines it as, fairly broadly, any interval in the range 31 to 41 cents, or more narrowly 35 to 38 cents; '''shimmerstep''' is a synonymous term used by Zhea. When played in the E3-E5 range, those intervals allegedly tend to beat at the speed of typical human singing vibrato.		The '''diesis''' is a small melodic unit of about an [[augmented comma]]'s size. It is often believed to be of some psychoacoustic significance. In particular, [[Zhea Erose]] defines it as, fairly broadly, any interval in the range 31 to 41 cents, or more narrowly 35 to 38 cents; '''shimmerstep''' is a synonymous term used by Zhea. When played in the E3–E5 range, those intervals allegedly tend to beat at the speed of typical human singing vibrato.

	[[Zhea Erose]] considers [[31edo]] and [[34edo]] to be special for having an interval in this range:		[[Zhea Erose]] considers [[31edo]] and [[34edo]] to be special for having an interval in this range:

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	The '''diesis''' is a small melodic unit of about an [[augmented comma]]'s size. It is often believed to be of some psychoacoustic significance. In particular, [[Zhea Erose]] defines it as, fairly broadly, any interval in the range 31 to 41 cents, or more narrowly 35 to 38 cents; '''shimmerstep''' is a synonymous term used by Zhea. When played in the E3-E5 range, those intervals allegedly tend to beat at the speed of typical human singing vibrato. Zhea considers [[31edo]] and [[34edo]] to be special for having an interval in this range:		The '''diesis''' is a small melodic unit of about an [[augmented comma]]'s size. It is often believed to be of some psychoacoustic significance. In particular, [[Zhea Erose]] defines it as, fairly broadly, any interval in the range 31 to 41 cents, or more narrowly 35 to 38 cents; '''shimmerstep''' is a synonymous term used by Zhea. When played in the E3-E5 range, those intervals allegedly tend to beat at the speed of typical human singing vibrato.

			[[Zhea Erose]] considers [[31edo]] and [[34edo]] to be special for having an interval in this range:
	<blockquote>		<blockquote>
	re: the hyperstep stuff:<blockquote> Analysis of phonograph recordings of virtuoso string performers (Reger, 1932; Hollinshead, 1932) found rates ranging from 5.6 to 7 Hz (see Table 1). This research concluded that although the extent of the violin vibrato is smaller than for singing, the rates are similar. Cheslock (1931) and Small (1937) analyzed phonograph recordings of performances by Kreisler, Menuhin, Szigeti and others. Vibrato was present in almost all tones, and the mean rate was around 6.3 Hz. Results from the Iowa studies have been largely confirmed in later studies, for example, Fletcher and Sanders (1967) found vibrato rates about 6 Hz, only slightly slower than some of the early reports. Thibeault (1997) studied solo bassists and found rates ranging from 5 to 7 Hz and reported a correlation of vibrato rate with tempo of excerpts, but not with pitch register. Geringer and Allen (2004) studied vibrato characteristics of 40 high school and college violinists and cellists. We analyzed whole notes performed in first position, and we found somewhat slower rates of vibrato, 5.5 Hz.</blockquote>When we study voices in multiple singing styles and cross culturally we see the average beat rate of vibrato falls between 4.5-6.5 cycles per second. At a C4, the 31edo shimmerstep (1\31) beats at 5.75 times a second which is a clear center of human vibrato rates. Of course the perceived beat rate will change depending on the fundamental but if we take C4 as a nice "center" we see:		re: the hyperstep stuff:<blockquote> Analysis of phonograph recordings of virtuoso string performers (Reger, 1932; Hollinshead, 1932) found rates ranging from 5.6 to 7 Hz (see Table 1). This research concluded that although the extent of the violin vibrato is smaller than for singing, the rates are similar. Cheslock (1931) and Small (1937) analyzed phonograph recordings of performances by Kreisler, Menuhin, Szigeti and others. Vibrato was present in almost all tones, and the mean rate was around 6.3 Hz. Results from the Iowa studies have been largely confirmed in later studies, for example, Fletcher and Sanders (1967) found vibrato rates about 6 Hz, only slightly slower than some of the early reports. Thibeault (1997) studied solo bassists and found rates ranging from 5 to 7 Hz and reported a correlation of vibrato rate with tempo of excerpts, but not with pitch register. Geringer and Allen (2004) studied vibrato characteristics of 40 high school and college violinists and cellists. We analyzed whole notes performed in first position, and we found somewhat slower rates of vibrato, 5.5 Hz.</blockquote>When we study voices in multiple singing styles and cross culturally we see the average beat rate of vibrato falls between 4.5–6.5 cycles per second. At a C4, the 31edo shimmerstep (1\31) beats at 5.75 times a second which is a clear center of human vibrato rates. Of course the perceived beat rate will change depending on the fundamental but if we take C4 as a nice "center" we see:
	at a C4, 261.6 Hz,
	29edo seems to beat at ~425 bpm — thus, 29's corrosive step hits at ~7 Hz.		: At a C4, 261.6 Hz,
	31edo seems to beat at ~345 bpm — thus, 31's shimmerstep hits at ~5.75 Hz		:: 29edo seems to beat at ~425 bpm{{mdash}}thus, 29's corrosive step hits at ~7 Hz.
	34edo seems to beat at ~275 bpm — thus, 34's shimmerstep hits at ~4.583 Hz slower but still within that normal vibrato range.		:: 31edo seems to beat at ~345 bpm{{mdash}}thus, 31's shimmerstep hits at ~5.75 Hz
	41edo seems to beat at ~228 bpm — thus, 41edo's glimmerstep hits at 3.8 Hz which starts to exist outside the boundaries of vibrato typical.		:: 34edo seems to beat at ~275 bpm{{mdash}}thus, 34's shimmerstep hits at ~4.583 Hz slower but still within that normal vibrato range.
	For this reason, that is why I tend to work a lot with 29-34 as a general pre-image of notes and why I consider them to be exceptional for overall gestalt and chord work compared to something like 41, 43 or slightly higher etc or 26 or slightly lower. Which is quite interesting because then you start to wrap around on yourself. Those zones to me are less interesting gestalts. — Zhea Erose, https://discord.com/channels/332357996569034752/859884647337033738/1014961523220815892		:: 41edo seems to beat at ~228 bpm{{mdash}}thus, 41edo's glimmerstep hits at 3.8 Hz which starts to exist outside the boundaries of vibrato typical.

			For this reason, that is why I tend to work a lot with 29-34 as a general pre-image of notes and why I consider them to be exceptional for overall gestalt and chord work compared to something like 41, 43 or slightly higher etc or 26 or slightly lower. Which is quite interesting because then you start to wrap around on yourself. Those zones to me are less interesting gestalts. — Zhea Erose, https://discord.com/channels/332357996569034752/859884647337033738/1014961523220815892
	</blockquote>		</blockquote>

FloraC: Recategorize

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Recategorize

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	[[Category:Terms]]		[[Category:Terms]]
	[[Category:Interval size ~~measure~~]]		[[Category:Interval size measures]]