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FloraC: Recategorize

2023-08-29T09:07:47Z

Recategorize

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Fredg999 category edits: Categories (name can be discussed if necessary)

2022-08-14T01:28:33Z

Categories (name can be discussed if necessary)

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Moremajorthanmajor: /* Underlying full status shrutis */

2021-05-28T04:21:32Z

Underlying full status shrutis

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Xenwolf: more typography

2020-06-01T10:28:29Z

more typography

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	:''[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_63593.html#72704 Original article] by ma1937, on the Yahoo tuning forum, is quoted here:''		:''<tt>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_63593.html#72704 Original article] by ma1937, on the Yahoo tuning forum, is quoted here:</tt>''

	The listing of the srutis of Indian classical music given below is based on decades of study of the srutis, study with several masters of Indian classical music, pitch analysis of recordings by several masters of raga performance, and the following quote by Ali Akbar Khan:<blockquote>"I am still learning about the srutis. They reach to your heart and help you feel the ragas and the notes. In old theory, they say that there are twenty-two in number, but right now I feel that there are more like twenty-three and a half. There is only one sa and one pa. Komal re, komal ga, and komal dha all have three. Shuddha ma, tivra ma, shuddha dha, and komal ni each have two. And shuddha re, shuddha ga, and shuddha ni each have one and a half." - Ali Akbar Khan</blockquote>This quotation yields many insights... Below I have just listed the twenty-three and a half srutis he is referring to.		The listing of the srutis of Indian classical music given below is based on decades of study of the srutis, study with several masters of Indian classical music, pitch analysis of recordings by several masters of raga performance, and the following quote by Ali Akbar Khan:<blockquote>"I am still learning about the srutis. They reach to your heart and help you feel the ragas and the notes. In old theory, they say that there are twenty-two in number, but right now I feel that there are more like twenty-three and a half. There is only one sa and one pa. Komal re, komal ga, and komal dha all have three. Shuddha ma, tivra ma, shuddha dha, and komal ni each have two. And shuddha re, shuddha ga, and shuddha ni each have one and a half." - Ali Akbar Khan</blockquote>This quotation yields many insights... Below I have just listed the twenty-three and a half srutis he is referring to.

Xenwolf: tried a third option for separating source and contents

2020-06-01T10:24:29Z

tried a third option for separating source and contents

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	[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_63593.html#72704 Original article] by ma1937, on the Yahoo tuning forum, is quoted here.		:''[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_63593.html#72704 Original article] by ma1937, on the Yahoo tuning forum, is quoted here:''

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	The listing of the srutis of Indian classical music given below is based on decades of study of the srutis, study with several masters of Indian classical music, pitch analysis of recordings by several masters of raga performance, and the following quote by Ali Akbar Khan:<blockquote>"I am still learning about the srutis. They reach to your heart and help you feel the ragas and the notes. In old theory, they say that there are twenty-two in number, but right now I feel that there are more like twenty-three and a half. There is only one sa and one pa. Komal re, komal ga, and komal dha all have three. Shuddha ma, tivra ma, shuddha dha, and komal ni each have two. And shuddha re, shuddha ga, and shuddha ni each have one and a half." - Ali Akbar Khan</blockquote>This quotation yields many insights... Below I have just listed the twenty-three and a half srutis he is referring to.		The listing of the srutis of Indian classical music given below is based on decades of study of the srutis, study with several masters of Indian classical music, pitch analysis of recordings by several masters of raga performance, and the following quote by Ali Akbar Khan:<blockquote>"I am still learning about the srutis. They reach to your heart and help you feel the ragas and the notes. In old theory, they say that there are twenty-two in number, but right now I feel that there are more like twenty-three and a half. There is only one sa and one pa. Komal re, komal ga, and komal dha all have three. Shuddha ma, tivra ma, shuddha dha, and komal ni each have two. And shuddha re, shuddha ga, and shuddha ni each have one and a half." - Ali Akbar Khan</blockquote>This quotation yields many insights... Below I have just listed the twenty-three and a half srutis he is referring to.

CritDeathX: Fixed Yahoo link and did a couple things to make the beginning section look a bit nicer

2020-06-01T08:49:00Z

Fixed Yahoo link and did a couple things to make the beginning section look a bit nicer

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	[~~http~~://~~launch~~.~~groups~~.~~yahoo.com/group~~/tuning/~~message/~~72704 Original article] by ma1937, on the Yahoo tuning forum, is quoted here.		[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_63593.html#72704 Original article] by ma1937, on the Yahoo tuning forum, is quoted here.

	The listing of the srutis of Indian classical music given below is based on decades of study of the srutis, study with several masters of Indian classical music, pitch analysis of recordings by several masters of raga performance, and the following quote by Ali Akbar Khan:<~~blockquote~~>~~"I am still learning about the srutis. They reach to your heart and help you feel the ragas and the notes. In old theory, they say that there are twenty~~-~~two in number, but right now I feel that there are more like twenty~~-three and a half. There is only one sa and one pa. Komal re, komal ga, and komal dha all have three. Shuddha ma, tivra ma, shuddha dha, and komal ni each have two. And shuddha re, shuddha ga, and shuddha ni each have one and a half."</~~blockquote~~>~~Ali Akbar Khan~~		<nowiki>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</nowiki>

	This quotation yields many insights... Below I have just listed the twenty-three and a half srutis he is referring to.		The listing of the srutis of Indian classical music given below is based on decades of study of the srutis, study with several masters of Indian classical music, pitch analysis of recordings by several masters of raga performance, and the following quote by Ali Akbar Khan:<blockquote>"I am still learning about the srutis. They reach to your heart and help you feel the ragas and the notes. In old theory, they say that there are twenty-two in number, but right now I feel that there are more like twenty-three and a half. There is only one sa and one pa. Komal re, komal ga, and komal dha all have three. Shuddha ma, tivra ma, shuddha dha, and komal ni each have two. And shuddha re, shuddha ga, and shuddha ni each have one and a half." - Ali Akbar Khan</blockquote>This quotation yields many insights... Below I have just listed the twenty-three and a half srutis he is referring to.

	In brief summary, Khansahib's list is basically the usually-given twenty-two srutis plus the three "ati ati komals" (ati ati komal re; ati ati komal ga; and ati ati komal dha). Though not on the usual list of 22 srutis, it is well-known that these notes do appear is some ragas. So really there are twenty-five notes on Khansahib's list. It's reduced to twenty-three and half because he gives "half" status to three notes that are usually considered srutis -- the lesser-used versions of shuddha re, shuddha ga, and shuddha ni. I think this is the most illuminating aspect of his comment.		In brief summary, Khansahib's list is basically the usually-given twenty-two srutis plus the three "ati ati komals" (ati ati komal re; ati ati komal ga; and ati ati komal dha). Though not on the usual list of 22 srutis, it is well-known that these notes do appear is some ragas. So really there are twenty-five notes on Khansahib's list. It's reduced to twenty-three and half because he gives "half" status to three notes that are usually considered srutis -- the lesser-used versions of shuddha re, shuddha ga, and shuddha ni. I think this is the most illuminating aspect of his comment.

Moremajorthanmajor: /* Regular temperaments of the full-status shrutis */

2019-08-21T03:15:04Z

Regular temperaments of the full-status shrutis

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	inverse komal-ardha re (1): [243/125; 1152]: 22, 23, 26		inverse komal-ardha re (1): [243/125; 1152]: 22, 23, 26

	==Regular temperaments of the ~~full-status~~ shrutis==		==Regular temperaments of the shrutis==
	'''Note:'''		'''Note:'''
	* '''generators in (bold) italics will generate a 19/23 (diatonic)''' '''or 22/25/26/29 tone (superdiatonic) set which is too weakly tonal for serious practice'''		* '''generators in (bold) italics will generate a 19/23 (diatonic)''' '''or 22/25/26/29 tone (superdiatonic) set which is too weakly tonal for serious practice'''
	* '''all 23, 25 and 29 tone temperaments given in italics due to either not necessarily possessing "real" Ma/Pa or counting "half" status shrutis as full status''', '''thus messing up what the 25 and 29 tone temperaments should technically be'''		* '''all 23, 25 and 29 tone temperaments given in italics due to either not necessarily possessing "real" Ma/Pa or counting "half" status shrutis as full status''', '''thus messing up what the 25 and 29 tone temperaments should technically be'''

	=Underlying=		=Underlying full status shrutis=
	Excluding inverses		Excluding inverses
	{\| class="wikitable"		{\| class="wikitable"

Moremajorthanmajor at 03:04, 21 August 2019

2019-08-21T03:04:58Z

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	In brief summary, Khansahib's list is basically the usually-given twenty-two srutis plus the three "ati ati komals" (ati ati komal re; ati ati komal ga; and ati ati komal dha). Though not on the usual list of 22 srutis, it is well-known that these notes do appear is some ragas. So really there are twenty-five notes on Khansahib's list. It's reduced to twenty-three and half because he gives "half" status to three notes that are usually considered srutis -- the lesser-used versions of shuddha re, shuddha ga, and shuddha ni. I think this is the most illuminating aspect of his comment.		In brief summary, Khansahib's list is basically the usually-given twenty-two srutis plus the three "ati ati komals" (ati ati komal re; ati ati komal ga; and ati ati komal dha). Though not on the usual list of 22 srutis, it is well-known that these notes do appear is some ragas. So really there are twenty-five notes on Khansahib's list. It's reduced to twenty-three and half because he gives "half" status to three notes that are usually considered srutis -- the lesser-used versions of shuddha re, shuddha ga, and shuddha ni. I think this is the most illuminating aspect of his comment.

	With each set of srutis associated with a given note, the principal sruti is listed first, the others in descending order of significance. ~~Ratios~~ given are exact. Cent values given are rounded to the nearest whole cent:		With each set of srutis associated with a given note, the principal sruti is listed first, the others in descending order of significance. Most ratios given are exact. Cent values given are rounded to the nearest whole cent:
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	'''Note:'''		'''Note:'''
	* '''generators in (bold) italics will generate a 19/23 (diatonic)''' '''or 22/25/26/29 tone (superdiatonic) set which is too weakly tonal for serious practice'''		* '''generators in (bold) italics will generate a 19/23 (diatonic)''' '''or 22/25/26/29 tone (superdiatonic) set which is too weakly tonal for serious practice'''
	* '''all 23, 25 and 29 tone temperaments given in italics due to either not necessarily possessing "real" Ma/Pa or ~~ati atis~~ counting ~~as only~~ "half"''', '''thus messing up what the 25 and 29 tone temperaments should technically be'''		* '''all 23, 25 and 29 tone temperaments given in italics due to either not necessarily possessing "real" Ma/Pa or counting "half" status shrutis as full status''', '''thus messing up what the 25 and 29 tone temperaments should technically be'''

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	=== ''Including ~~ati atis~~'' ===		=== ''Including "half" status shrutis'' ===
	''Excluding inverses''		''Excluding inverses''
	{\| class="wikitable"		{\| class="wikitable"

Moremajorthanmajor at 02:58, 21 August 2019

2019-08-21T02:58:18Z

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Moremajorthanmajor: /* Underlying */

2019-08-20T23:55:04Z

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