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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Etymology ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Etymology ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;This comma&amp;#039;s name was casually proposed by [[Lériendil]] in 2025 from the Greek root [[wiktionary: κακός|&amp;#039;&amp;#039;kak-&amp;#039;&amp;#039; (&amp;quot;bad&amp;quot;)]], which is the antonym of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;kal-&amp;#039;&amp;#039; used to name the [[kalisma]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;This comma&amp;#039;s name was casually proposed by [[Lériendil]] in 2025 from the Greek root [[wiktionary: κακός|&amp;#039;&amp;#039;kak-&amp;#039;&amp;#039; (&amp;quot;bad&amp;quot;)]], which is the antonym of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;kal-&amp;#039;&amp;#039; used to name the [[kalisma]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>FloraC: Created page with &quot;{{Infobox Interval | Name = kakisma | Comma = yes }} &#039;&#039;&#039;9802/9801&#039;&#039;&#039;, the &#039;&#039;&#039;kakisma&#039;&#039;&#039;, is an unnoticeable 29-limit (specifically 2.3.11.13.29-subgroup) comma measuring about 0.177{{cent}}. It is the amount by which a stack of two 33/26&#039;s fall short of 29/18. Alternatively, it is the amount by which 29/27 exceeds the difference between 13/11 and its fifth complement, 33/26.   == Commatic relations == This comma may be f...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;{{Infobox Interval | Name = kakisma | Comma = yes }} &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;9802/9801&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;kakisma&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, is an &lt;a href=&quot;/w/Unnoticeable_comma&quot; title=&quot;Unnoticeable comma&quot;&gt;unnoticeable&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;/w/29-limit&quot; title=&quot;29-limit&quot;&gt;29-limit&lt;/a&gt; (specifically 2.3.11.13.29-subgroup) &lt;a href=&quot;/w/Comma&quot; title=&quot;Comma&quot;&gt;comma&lt;/a&gt; measuring about 0.177{{cent}}. It is the amount by which a stack of two &lt;a href=&quot;/w/33/26&quot; title=&quot;33/26&quot;&gt;33/26&lt;/a&gt;&amp;#039;s fall short of &lt;a href=&quot;/w/29/18&quot; title=&quot;29/18&quot;&gt;29/18&lt;/a&gt;. Alternatively, it is the amount by which &lt;a href=&quot;/w/29/27&quot; title=&quot;29/27&quot;&gt;29/27&lt;/a&gt; exceeds the difference between &lt;a href=&quot;/w/13/11&quot; title=&quot;13/11&quot;&gt;13/11&lt;/a&gt; and its &lt;a href=&quot;/w/Fifth_complement&quot; title=&quot;Fifth complement&quot;&gt;fifth complement&lt;/a&gt;, 33/26.   == Commatic relations == This comma may be f...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{Infobox Interval&lt;br /&gt;
| Name = kakisma&lt;br /&gt;
| Comma = yes&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;9802/9801&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;kakisma&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, is an [[unnoticeable comma|unnoticeable]] [[29-limit]] (specifically 2.3.11.13.29-subgroup) [[comma]] measuring about 0.177{{cent}}. It is the amount by which a stack of two [[33/26]]&amp;#039;s fall short of [[29/18]]. Alternatively, it is the amount by which [[29/27]] exceeds the difference between [[13/11]] and its [[fifth complement]], 33/26. &lt;br /&gt;
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== Commatic relations ==&lt;br /&gt;
This comma may be found as the difference between the following superparticular ratios: &lt;br /&gt;
* [[364/363]] and [[378/377]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[676/675]] and [[726/725]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2080/2079]] and [[2640/2639]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2784/2783]] and [[3888/3887]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[4225/4224]] and [[7425/7424]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[4901/4900]] and [[9801/9800]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[5083/5082]] and [[10557/10556]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[5104/5103]] and [[10648/10647]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[6656/6655]] and [[20736/20735]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[8281/8280]] and [[53361/53360]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[8671/8670]] and [[75141/75140]]&lt;br /&gt;
* 9801/9800 and [[96059601/96059600]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It factors into the following superparticular ratios: &lt;br /&gt;
* [[14365/14364]] and [[30856/30855]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[13311/13310]] and [[37180/37179]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[12673/12672]] and [[43264/43263]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[12376/12375]] and [[47125/47124]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Temperaments ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Tempering out]] this comma in the 2.3.11.13.29 subgroup leads to the rank-4 kakic temperament, or in the full 29-limit, the rank-9 kakismic temperament. In either case, it equates 29/27 with the difference between 13/11 and its fifth complement. Any [[13-limit]] temperament can be extended to include [[prime interval|prime]] [[29/1|29]] by tempering out this comma, but as we see above, such an extension works best with accurate 13/11&amp;#039;s. &lt;br /&gt;
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== Etymology ==&lt;br /&gt;
This comma&amp;#039;s name was casually proposed by [[Lériendil]] in 2025 from the Greek root [[wiktionary: κακός|&amp;#039;&amp;#039;kak-&amp;#039;&amp;#039; (&amp;quot;bad&amp;quot;)]], which is the antonym of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;kal-&amp;#039;&amp;#039; used to name the [[kalisma]].&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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