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Eufalesio: half pythagorean comma

2026-04-09T08:31:50Z

half pythagorean comma

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	{{Infobox Interval		{{Infobox Interval
	\| Ratio = 2835/2816		\| Ratio = 2835/2816
	\| Name = fwiwisma, 35/11 kleisma		\| Name = fwiwisma, 35/11 kleisma, kalismic half pythcomma
	\| Color name = L1uzy1, Laluzoyo comma		\| Color name = L1uzy1, Laluzoyo comma
	\| Comma = yes		\| Comma = yes
	}}		}}
	'''2835/2816''', the '''fwiwisma''', is a [[comma]] with a value of approximately 11.6 [[cent]]s. It represents the difference between [[45/44]] and [[64/63]]~~. It is also the difference between the Pythagorean major third (~~[[81/64]]) and [[44/35]].		'''2835/2816''', the '''fwiwisma''', is a [[comma]] with a value of approximately 11.6 [[cent]]s. It represents the difference between:

			* [[45/44]] and [[64/63]]
			* [[81/64]] and [[44/35]].
			* [[729/512]] and [[99/70]]

			Due to this last difference, it notably serves as a half [[pythagorean comma]] for a strong rational representation of √2-[[hemipyth]].

	== Temperaments ==		== Temperaments ==
	This comma is [[tempering out\|tempered out]] in [[miracle]], as well as supporting edos {{EDOs\| 31, 41, and 72 }}. It is also the sum of [[243/242]] and [[385/384]], and so is tempered out in the rank-3 temperament [[mirwomo]].		This comma is [[tempering out\|tempered out]] in [[miracle]], as well as supporting edos {{EDOs\| 31, 41, and 72 }}. It is also the sum of [[243/242]] and [[385/384]], and so is tempered out in the rank-3 temperament [[mirwomo]].

			If instead tempered, in [[kalismic]], the pythagorean comma is halved, wherein each half represents 2835/2816~[[72171/71680]].

	== Notation ==		== Notation ==
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	fwiw I'd rather you not. there's already a blumeyer, blume, and yer commas which are related which I named after myself, and I don't think this is related to them. why not name it the davesma or something, by your logic? or you could name it the fwiwisma lol		fwiw I'd rather you not. there's already a blumeyer, blume, and yer commas which are related which I named after myself, and I don't think this is related to them. why not name it the davesma or something, by your logic? or you could name it the fwiwisma lol
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	[[Category:Fwiwismic]]		[[Category:Fwiwismic]]
	[[Category:Commas named following events]]		[[Category:Commas named following events]]

FloraC: + category

2026-03-13T09:29:54Z

+ category

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			[[Category:Fwiwismic]]
	[[Category:Commas named following events]]		[[Category:Commas named following events]]

FloraC: Re-organize, giving each topic a distinct section. Make "fwiwisma" official cuz it's used to name 44/35. Recategorize accordingly.

2026-03-13T09:22:04Z

Re-organize, giving each topic a distinct section. Make "fwiwisma" official cuz it's used to name 44/35. Recategorize accordingly.

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	\| Comma = yes		\| Comma = yes
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			'''2835/2816''', the '''fwiwisma''', is a [[comma]] with a value of approximately 11.6 [[cent]]s. It represents the difference between [[45/44]] and [[64/63]]. It is also the difference between the Pythagorean major third ([[81/64]]) and [[44/35]].

	~~The [[Sagittal]] '''35/11 kleisma''' or '''fwiwisma'''~~ is a [[~~comma~~]] ~~with a [[ratio]] of '''2835/2816''' and a value of approximately 11.64~~ [[~~cent~~]]~~s. In the Sagittal system~~, ~~this comma (possibly tempered) is represented (in a secondary role) by the sagittal~~ {{~~sagittal \| )~~\|~~( }} and is called the '''35/11 kleisma'''~~, ~~or '''35/11k''' for short~~, ~~because the simplest interval it notates is 35/11 = 5×7/11 (equiv. 35/22), as for example in A-F{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal \| )\|(~~ }}. ~~The primary role~~ of ~~{{ sagittal \| )\|( }} is~~ [[~~896~~/~~891#Sagittal notation\|896~~/~~891~~]] ~~(11/7k up). The downward version is called '''11/35k''' or '''35/11k down'''~~ and is ~~represented (~~in ~~a secondary role) by {{sagittal\| )!( }}~~.		== Temperaments ==
			This comma is [[tempering out\|tempered out]] in [[miracle]], as well as supporting edos {{EDOs\| 31, 41, and 72 }}. It is also the sum of [[243/242]] and [[385/384]], and so is tempered out in the rank-3 temperament [[mirwomo]].

	~~It represents~~ the ~~difference between~~ [[~~45/44]] and [[64/63~~]], ~~and~~ is ~~tempered out~~ in ~~[[miracle]], as well as supporting edos~~ {{~~EDOs~~\| ~~31, 41, and 72~~ }}~~. It~~ is ~~also~~ the ~~sum of [[243~~/~~242]] and [[385~~/~~384]]~~, ~~and so~~ is ~~tempered out~~ in ~~the rank-3 temperament [[mirwomo]]~~. It is ~~also the difference between the Pythagorean major third (~~[[81/64]]) ~~and [[44~~/35]].		== Notation ==
			In the [[Sagittal]] system, this comma (possibly tempered) is represented in a secondary role by the sagittal {{sagittal\| )\|( }} and is called the '''35/11 kleisma''', or '''35/11k''' for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 35/11 = 5×7/11 (equiv. 35/22), as for example in A–F{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal\| )\|( }}. The primary role of {{sagittal\| )\|( }} is [[896/891 #Sagittal notation\|896/891]] (11/7k up). The downward version is called '''11/35k''' or '''35/11k down''' and is represented in a secondary role by {{sagittal\| )!( }}.

	== Etymology ==		== Etymology ==
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	[[Category:Commas named ~~systematically~~]]		[[Category:Commas named following events]]

FloraC: Since 44/35 is flat of the pyth major third by this interval, it's fwiwismic, not valinorsmic.

2026-03-13T09:13:51Z

Since 44/35 is flat of the pyth major third by this interval, it's fwiwismic, not valinorsmic.

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	The [[Sagittal]] '''35/11 kleisma''' or '''fwiwisma''' is a [[comma]] with a [[ratio]] of '''2835/2816''' and a value of approximately 11.64 [[cent]]s. In the Sagittal system, this comma (possibly tempered) is represented (in a secondary role) by the sagittal {{sagittal \| )\|( }} and is called the '''35/11 kleisma''', or '''35/11k''' for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 35/11 = 5×7/11 (equiv. 35/22), as for example in A-F{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal \| )\|( }}. The primary role of {{ sagittal \| )\|( }} is [[896/891#Sagittal notation\|896/891]] (11/7k up). The downward version is called '''11/35k''' or '''35/11k down''' and is represented (in a secondary role) by {{sagittal\| )!( }}.		The [[Sagittal]] '''35/11 kleisma''' or '''fwiwisma''' is a [[comma]] with a [[ratio]] of '''2835/2816''' and a value of approximately 11.64 [[cent]]s. In the Sagittal system, this comma (possibly tempered) is represented (in a secondary role) by the sagittal {{sagittal \| )\|( }} and is called the '''35/11 kleisma''', or '''35/11k''' for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 35/11 = 5×7/11 (equiv. 35/22), as for example in A-F{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal \| )\|( }}. The primary role of {{ sagittal \| )\|( }} is [[896/891#Sagittal notation\|896/891]] (11/7k up). The downward version is called '''11/35k''' or '''35/11k down''' and is represented (in a secondary role) by {{sagittal\| )!( }}.

			It represents the difference between [[45/44]] and [[64/63]], and is tempered out in [[miracle]], as well as supporting edos {{EDOs\| 31, 41, and 72 }}. It is also the sum of [[243/242]] and [[385/384]], and so is tempered out in the rank-3 temperament [[mirwomo]]. It is also the difference between the Pythagorean major third ([[81/64]]) and [[44/35]].

	It represents the difference between [[45/44]] and [[64/63]], and is tempered out in [[miracle]], as well as supporting edos {{EDOs\|31, 41, and 72}}. It is also the sum of [[243/242]] and [[385/384]], and so is tempered out in the rank-3 temperament [[mirwomo]]. It is also the difference between the Pythagorean major third ([[81/64]]) and the valinorsmic major third ([[44/35]]).		== Etymology ==

	==Etymology==
	The name of this comma was coined in 2024 by [[Douglas Blumeyer]] during a conversation about what it should be. It comes from the acronym ''FWIW'', meaning "for what it's worth."		The name of this comma was coined in 2024 by [[Douglas Blumeyer]] during a conversation about what it should be. It comes from the acronym ''FWIW'', meaning "for what it's worth."

Lucius Chiaraviglio: Add the major thirds difference

2026-03-13T00:52:20Z

Add the major thirds difference

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	It represents the difference between [[45/44]] and [[64/63]], and is tempered out in [[miracle]], as well as supporting edos {{EDOs\|31, 41, and 72}}. It is also the sum of [[243/242]] and [[385/384]], and so is tempered out in the rank-3 temperament [[mirwomo]].		It represents the difference between [[45/44]] and [[64/63]], and is tempered out in [[miracle]], as well as supporting edos {{EDOs\|31, 41, and 72}}. It is also the sum of [[243/242]] and [[385/384]], and so is tempered out in the rank-3 temperament [[mirwomo]]. It is also the difference between the Pythagorean major third ([[81/64]]) and the valinorsmic major third ([[44/35]]).

	==Etymology==		==Etymology==

Overthink at 04:06, 19 October 2025

2025-10-19T04:06:29Z

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	The [[Sagittal]] '''35/11 kleisma''' or '''fwiwisma''' is a [[comma]] with a [[ratio]] of '''2835/2816''' and a value of approximately 11.64 [[cent]]s. In the Sagittal system, this comma (possibly tempered) is represented (in a secondary role) by the sagittal {{sagittal \| )\|( }} and is called the '''35/11 kleisma''', or '''35/11k''' for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 35/11 = 5×7/11 (equiv. 35/22), as for example in A-F{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal \| )\|( }}. The primary role of {{ sagittal \| )\|( }} is [[896/891#Sagittal notation\|896/891]] (11/7k up). The downward version is called '''11/35k''' or '''35/11k down''' and is represented (in a secondary role) by {{sagittal\| )!( }}.		The [[Sagittal]] '''35/11 kleisma''' or '''fwiwisma''' is a [[comma]] with a [[ratio]] of '''2835/2816''' and a value of approximately 11.64 [[cent]]s. In the Sagittal system, this comma (possibly tempered) is represented (in a secondary role) by the sagittal {{sagittal \| )\|( }} and is called the '''35/11 kleisma''', or '''35/11k''' for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 35/11 = 5×7/11 (equiv. 35/22), as for example in A-F{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal \| )\|( }}. The primary role of {{ sagittal \| )\|( }} is [[896/891#Sagittal notation\|896/891]] (11/7k up). The downward version is called '''11/35k''' or '''35/11k down''' and is represented (in a secondary role) by {{sagittal\| )!( }}.


			It represents the difference between [[45/44]] and [[64/63]], and is tempered out in [[miracle]], as well as supporting edos {{EDOs\|31, 41, and 72}}. It is also the sum of [[243/242]] and [[385/384]], and so is tempered out in the rank-3 temperament [[mirwomo]].

	==Etymology==		==Etymology==

Tristanbay: /* Etymology */Added "fwiwisma" as an alternate name for this comma

2024-12-05T16:58:08Z

Etymology: Added "fwiwisma" as an alternate name for this comma

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	\| Ratio = 2835/2816		\| Ratio = 2835/2816
	\| Name = 35/11 kleisma		\| Name = fwiwisma, 35/11 kleisma
	\| Color name = L1uzy1, Laluzoyo comma		\| Color name = L1uzy1, Laluzoyo comma
	\| Comma = yes		\| Comma = yes
	}}		}}

	The [[Sagittal]] '''35/11 kleisma''' is a [[comma]] with a [[ratio]] of '''2835/2816''' and a value of approximately 11.64 [[cent]]s. In the Sagittal system, this comma (possibly tempered) is represented (in a secondary role) by the sagittal {{sagittal \| )\|( }} and is called the '''35/11 kleisma''', or '''35/11k''' for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 35/11 = 5×7/11 (equiv. 35/22), as for example in A-F{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal \| )\|( }}. The primary role of {{ sagittal \| )\|( }} is [[896/891#Sagittal notation\|896/891]] (11/7k up). The downward version is called '''11/35k''' or '''35/11k down''' and is represented (in a secondary role) by {{sagittal\| )!( }}.		The [[Sagittal]] '''35/11 kleisma''' or '''fwiwisma''' is a [[comma]] with a [[ratio]] of '''2835/2816''' and a value of approximately 11.64 [[cent]]s. In the Sagittal system, this comma (possibly tempered) is represented (in a secondary role) by the sagittal {{sagittal \| )\|( }} and is called the '''35/11 kleisma''', or '''35/11k''' for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 35/11 = 5×7/11 (equiv. 35/22), as for example in A-F{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal \| )\|( }}. The primary role of {{ sagittal \| )\|( }} is [[896/891#Sagittal notation\|896/891]] (11/7k up). The downward version is called '''11/35k''' or '''35/11k down''' and is represented (in a secondary role) by {{sagittal\| )!( }}.

			==Etymology==
			The name of this comma was coined in 2024 by [[Douglas Blumeyer]] during a conversation about what it should be. It comes from the acronym ''FWIW'', meaning "for what it's worth."

			<blockquote>
			fwiw I'd rather you not. there's already a blumeyer, blume, and yer commas which are related which I named after myself, and I don't think this is related to them. why not name it the davesma or something, by your logic? or you could name it the fwiwisma lol
			</blockquote>

	[[Category:Commas named systematically]]		[[Category:Commas named systematically]]

BudjarnLambeth at 09:44, 3 November 2024

2024-11-03T09:44:55Z

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	The [[Sagittal]] '''35/11 kleisma''' is a [[comma]] with a [[ratio]] of '''2835/2816''' and a value of approximately 11.64 [[cent]]s. In the Sagittal system, this comma (possibly tempered) is represented (in a secondary role) by the sagittal {{sagittal \| )\|( }} and is called the '''35/11 kleisma''', or '''35/11k''' for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 35/11 = 5×7/11 (equiv. 35/22), as for example in A-F{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal \| )\|( }}. The primary role of {{ sagittal \| )\|( }} is [[896/891#Sagittal notation\|896/891]] (11/7k up). The downward version is called '''11/35k''' or '''35/11k down''' and is represented (in a secondary role) by {{sagittal\| )!( }}.		The [[Sagittal]] '''35/11 kleisma''' is a [[comma]] with a [[ratio]] of '''2835/2816''' and a value of approximately 11.64 [[cent]]s. In the Sagittal system, this comma (possibly tempered) is represented (in a secondary role) by the sagittal {{sagittal \| )\|( }} and is called the '''35/11 kleisma''', or '''35/11k''' for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 35/11 = 5×7/11 (equiv. 35/22), as for example in A-F{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal \| )\|( }}. The primary role of {{ sagittal \| )\|( }} is [[896/891#Sagittal notation\|896/891]] (11/7k up). The downward version is called '''11/35k''' or '''35/11k down''' and is represented (in a secondary role) by {{sagittal\| )!( }}.

			[[Category:Commas named systematically]]

FloraC: "35/11 kleisma" is a systematic name of sagittal notation so this needs to be noted

2024-10-25T09:43:23Z

"35/11 kleisma" is a systematic name of sagittal notation so this needs to be noted

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	The '''35/11 kleisma''' is a comma with a ratio of '''2835/2816''' and a value of approximately 11.64 [[cent]]s. In the [[Sagittal]] system, this comma (possibly tempered) is represented (in a secondary role) by the sagittal {{sagittal \| )\|( }} and is called the '''35/11 kleisma''', or '''35/11k''' for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 35/11 = 5×7/11 (equiv. 35/22), as for example in A-F{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal \| )\|( }}. The primary role of {{ sagittal \| )\|( }} is [[896/891#Sagittal notation \| 896/891]] (11/7k up). The downward version is called '''11/35k''' or '''35/11k down''' and is represented (in a secondary role) by {{sagittal\| )!( }}.		The [[Sagittal]] '''35/11 kleisma''' is a [[comma]] with a [[ratio]] of '''2835/2816''' and a value of approximately 11.64 [[cent]]s. In the Sagittal system, this comma (possibly tempered) is represented (in a secondary role) by the sagittal {{sagittal \| )\|( }} and is called the '''35/11 kleisma''', or '''35/11k''' for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 35/11 = 5×7/11 (equiv. 35/22), as for example in A-F{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal \| )\|( }}. The primary role of {{ sagittal \| )\|( }} is [[896/891#Sagittal notation\|896/891]] (11/7k up). The downward version is called '''11/35k''' or '''35/11k down''' and is represented (in a secondary role) by {{sagittal\| )!( }}.

Cmloegcmluin: bold comma

2024-10-21T03:41:22Z

bold comma

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	The '''35/11 kleisma''' is a comma with a ratio of 2835/2816 and a value of approximately 11.64 [[cent]]s. In the [[Sagittal]] system, this comma (possibly tempered) is represented (in a secondary role) by the sagittal {{sagittal \| )\|( }} and is called the '''35/11 kleisma''', or '''35/11k''' for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 35/11 = 5×7/11 (equiv. 35/22), as for example in A-F{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal \| )\|( }}. The primary role of {{ sagittal \| )\|( }} is [[896/891#Sagittal notation \| 896/891]] (11/7k up). The downward version is called '''11/35k''' or '''35/11k down''' and is represented (in a secondary role) by {{sagittal\| )!( }}.		The '''35/11 kleisma''' is a comma with a ratio of '''2835/2816''' and a value of approximately 11.64 [[cent]]s. In the [[Sagittal]] system, this comma (possibly tempered) is represented (in a secondary role) by the sagittal {{sagittal \| )\|( }} and is called the '''35/11 kleisma''', or '''35/11k''' for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 35/11 = 5×7/11 (equiv. 35/22), as for example in A-F{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal \| )\|( }}. The primary role of {{ sagittal \| )\|( }} is [[896/891#Sagittal notation \| 896/891]] (11/7k up). The downward version is called '''11/35k''' or '''35/11k down''' and is represented (in a secondary role) by {{sagittal\| )!( }}.