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		<title>Overthink: /* Rank-2 temperaments */ mohaha; some other changes</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Rank-2 temperaments: &lt;/span&gt; mohaha; some other changes&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Rank-2 temperaments ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Rank-2 temperaments ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Porcupine&lt;/del&gt;]] &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;(15 &amp;amp; 22) &lt;/del&gt;provides a &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;simple yet high-damage &lt;/del&gt;approximation &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;to &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;subgroup&lt;/del&gt;. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;It is generated by a submajor second of around 163 cents, representing [[10/9]], [[11/10]], and [[12/11]], tempering out [[55/54]], [[100/99]], and [[121/120]]&lt;/del&gt;. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Two of these reach [[6/&lt;/del&gt;5&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]]~[[&lt;/del&gt;11&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;/9]]&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;and three of them reach &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;perfect fourth [[4/3]]. It finds 11/8 at &lt;/del&gt;-&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;4 generators and 5/4 at -5 generators. The interval at -7 generators represents several important ratios, such as [[25/24]], [[33/32]], [[45/44]], and [[81/80]]&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Since &lt;/ins&gt;[[&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;7edo&lt;/ins&gt;]] provides a &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;relatively accurate &lt;/ins&gt;approximation &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;of &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;2&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;3&lt;/ins&gt;.5&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;.&lt;/ins&gt;11 &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;subgroup for its size&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;temperaments in this subgroup tend to work well with &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;7&lt;/ins&gt;-&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;form&lt;/ins&gt;.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Schismic&lt;/del&gt;]] provides &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;two reasonable aproximations &lt;/del&gt;to the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;2.3.5&lt;/del&gt;.11 &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;subgroup&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;one by finding &lt;/del&gt;11/&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;8 at the triple-augmented second (+23 fifths) through the &lt;/del&gt;[[&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;cassandra&lt;/del&gt;]] &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;mapping&lt;/del&gt;, and &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;another by finding &lt;/del&gt;11/&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;8 at the quadruple-diminished seventh (-30 fifths) through &lt;/del&gt;the [[&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;helenus&lt;/del&gt;]] &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;mapping&lt;/del&gt;. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Helenus&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;{{nowrap| 53 &amp;amp; 65 }}&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;provides a much better approximation to the subgroup&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;as both 5 and 11 are generated in the same direction&lt;/del&gt;, and &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;the optimal tuning for prime 11 tunes 5 much more accurately&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Porcupine&lt;/ins&gt;]] &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;(15 &amp;amp; 22) &lt;/ins&gt;provides &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;a simple yet high-damage approximation &lt;/ins&gt;to the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;subgroup&lt;/ins&gt;. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;It is generated by a submajor second of around 163 cents, representing [[10/9]], [[&lt;/ins&gt;11&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;/10]]&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;and [[12/&lt;/ins&gt;11&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]], tempering out [[55&lt;/ins&gt;/&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;54]], &lt;/ins&gt;[[&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;100/99&lt;/ins&gt;]], and &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[121/120]]. Two of these reach [[6/5]]~[[&lt;/ins&gt;11/&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;9]], and three of them reach &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;perfect fourth &lt;/ins&gt;[[&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;4/3&lt;/ins&gt;]]. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;It finds 11/8 at –4 generators and 5/4 at –5 generators. The interval at –7 generators represents several important ratios&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;such as [[25/24]]&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[33/32]]&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[45/44]]&lt;/ins&gt;, and &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[81/80]]&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Gravity]] also provides a very natural approximation to the 2.3.5.11 subgroup, having ~40/27 as the generator, and finding 3/2 at &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;-6 &lt;/del&gt;gens, 5/4 at &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;-17 &lt;/del&gt;gens and 11/8 at &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;-15 &lt;/del&gt;gens. It is the unique temperament in the 2.3.5.11 subgroup equating [[81/80]] ({{S|9}}), [[100/99]] ({{S|10}}), and [[121/120]] ({{S|11}}), thus [[tempering out]] [[243/242]], [[4000/3993]], and [[8019/8000]]. [[65edo]] is the unique intersection of schismic (helenus) and gravity, and thus has, for its size, great approximations to the subgroup.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[Mohaha]] (24 &amp;amp; 31) can be considered an extension to [[meantone]] that adds neutral intervals, with the perfect fifth split into two neutral third generators, each representing [[11/9]]~[[27/22]], tempering out [[243/242]]. Here [[11/8]]~[[15/11]] is found as a semi-augmented fourth, and [[11/10]]~[[12/11]] is found as a neutral second, meaning [[121/120]] is also tempered out. The neutral third is very close to 11/9 as a result of the flat fifth, though this means the 11th harmonic is tuned considerably flat.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[Schismic]] provides two reasonable aproximations to the 2.3.5.11 subgroup, one by finding 11/8 at the triple-augmented second (+23 fifths) through the [[cassandra]] {{nowrap| (41 &amp;amp; 53) }} mapping, tempering out [[2200/2187]], and another by finding 11/8 at the quadruple-diminished seventh (–30 fifths) through the [[helenus]] mapping, tempering out [[8019/8000]]. Helenus, {{nowrap| 53 &amp;amp; 65 }}, provides a much better approximation to the subgroup, as both 5 and 11 are generated in the same direction, and the optimal tuning for prime 11 is closer to the optimal tuning for 5.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Gravity]] &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;(7 &amp;amp; 58) &lt;/ins&gt;also provides a very natural approximation to the 2.3.5.11 subgroup, having ~40/27 as the generator, and finding 3/2 at &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;–6 &lt;/ins&gt;gens, 5/4 at &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;–17 &lt;/ins&gt;gens and 11/8 at &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;–15 &lt;/ins&gt;gens. It is the unique temperament in the 2.3.5.11 subgroup equating [[81/80]] ({{S|9}}), [[100/99]] ({{S|10}}), and [[121/120]] ({{S|11}}), thus [[tempering out]] [[243/242]], [[4000/3993]], and [[8019/8000]]. [[65edo]] is the unique intersection of schismic (helenus) and gravity, and thus has, for its size, great approximations to the subgroup.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Rank-3 temperaments ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Rank-3 temperaments ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Rank-2 temperaments ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Rank-2 temperaments ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Schismic]] provides two reasonable aproximations to the 2.3.5.11 subgroup, one by finding 11/8 at the triple-augmented second (+23 fifths) through the [[cassandra]] mapping, and another by finding 11/8 at the quadruple-diminished seventh (-30 fifths) through the [[helenus]] mapping. Helenus, {{nowrap| 53 &amp;amp; 65 }}, provides a much better approximation to the subgroup, as both 5 and 11 are generated in the same direction.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[Porcupine]] (15 &amp;amp; 22) provides a simple yet high-damage approximation to the subgroup. It is generated by a submajor second of around 163 cents, representing [[10/9]], [[11/10]], and [[12/11]], tempering out [[55/54]], [[100/99]], and [[121/120]]. Two of these reach [[6/5]]~[[11/9]], and three of them reach the perfect fourth [[4/3]]. It finds 11/8 at -4 generators and 5/4 at -5 generators. The interval at -7 generators represents several important ratios, such as [[25/24]], [[33/32]], [[45/44]], and [[81/80]].&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Schismic]] provides two reasonable aproximations to the 2.3.5.11 subgroup, one by finding 11/8 at the triple-augmented second (+23 fifths) through the [[cassandra]] mapping, and another by finding 11/8 at the quadruple-diminished seventh (-30 fifths) through the [[helenus]] mapping. Helenus, {{nowrap| 53 &amp;amp; 65 }}, provides a much better approximation to the subgroup, as both 5 and 11 are generated in the same direction&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;, and the optimal tuning for prime 11 tunes 5 much more accurately&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Gravity]] also provides a very natural approximation to the 2.3.5.11 subgroup, having ~40/27 as the generator, and finding 3/2 at -6 gens, 5/4 at -17 gens and 11/8 at -15 gens. It is the unique temperament in the 2.3.5.11 subgroup equating [[81/80]] ({{S|9}}), [[100/99]] ({{S|10}}), and [[121/120]] ({{S|11}}), thus [[tempering out]] [[243/242]], [[4000/3993]], and [[8019/8000]]. [[65edo]] is the unique intersection of schismic (helenus) and gravity, and thus has, for its size, great approximations to the subgroup.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Gravity]] also provides a very natural approximation to the 2.3.5.11 subgroup, having ~40/27 as the generator, and finding 3/2 at -6 gens, 5/4 at -17 gens and 11/8 at -15 gens. It is the unique temperament in the 2.3.5.11 subgroup equating [[81/80]] ({{S|9}}), [[100/99]] ({{S|10}}), and [[121/120]] ({{S|11}}), thus [[tempering out]] [[243/242]], [[4000/3993]], and [[8019/8000]]. [[65edo]] is the unique intersection of schismic (helenus) and gravity, and thus has, for its size, great approximations to the subgroup.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The &#039;&#039;&#039;2.3.5.11 subgroup&#039;&#039;&#039; (&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;AKA &lt;/del&gt;&#039;&#039;yala&#039;&#039; in [[color notation]]) is a [[just intonation subgroup]] consisting of [[rational interval]]s where 2, 3, 5, and 11 are the only allowable [[prime factor]]s, so that every such interval may be written as a ratio of integers which are products of 2, 3, 5 and 11. This is an infinite set and still infinite even if we restrict consideration to a single octave. Some examples within the [[octave]] include [[5/4]], [[3/2]], [[11/8]], [[11/9]], [[27/22]], and so on.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The &#039;&#039;&#039;2.3.5.11 subgroup&#039;&#039;&#039; (&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;a.k.a. &lt;/ins&gt;&#039;&#039;yala&#039;&#039; in [[color notation]]) is a [[just intonation subgroup]] consisting of [[rational interval]]s where 2, 3, 5, and 11 are the only allowable [[prime factor]]s, so that every such interval may be written as a ratio of integers which are products of 2, 3, 5 and 11. This is an infinite set and still infinite even if we restrict consideration to a single octave. Some examples within the [[octave]] include [[5/4]], [[3/2]], [[11/8]], [[11/9]], [[27/22]], and so on.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;In can be thought as either an extension of [[Alpharabian tuning]] with the familiar 5-limit chords and stuctures, or a retraction of the 11-limit by removing prime 7. It can be similar to the [[2.3.5.13 subgroup]], specially considering neutral interval pairs such as 39/32 ~ 11/9 and 16/13 ~ 27/22, which are connected by the small comma of [[352/351]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;In can be thought as either an extension of [[Alpharabian tuning]] with the familiar 5-limit chords and stuctures, or a retraction of the 11-limit by removing prime 7. It can be similar to the [[2.3.5.13 subgroup]], specially considering neutral interval pairs such as 39/32~11/9 and 16/13~27/22, which are connected by the small comma of [[352/351]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Regular temperaments ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Regular temperaments ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l10&quot;&gt;Line 10:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 10:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Schismic]] provides two reasonable aproximations to the 2.3.5.11 subgroup, one by finding 11/8 at the triple-augmented second (+23 fifths) through the [[cassandra]] mapping, and another by finding 11/8 at the quadruple-diminished seventh (-30 fifths) through the [[helenus]] mapping. Helenus, {{nowrap| 53 &amp;amp; 65 }}, provides a much better approximation to the subgroup, as both 5 and 11 are generated in the same direction.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Schismic]] provides two reasonable aproximations to the 2.3.5.11 subgroup, one by finding 11/8 at the triple-augmented second (+23 fifths) through the [[cassandra]] mapping, and another by finding 11/8 at the quadruple-diminished seventh (-30 fifths) through the [[helenus]] mapping. Helenus, {{nowrap| 53 &amp;amp; 65 }}, provides a much better approximation to the subgroup, as both 5 and 11 are generated in the same direction.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Gravity]] also provides a very natural approximation to the 2.3.5.11 subgroup, having ~40/27 as the generator, and finding 3/2 at -6 gens, 5/4 at -17 gens and 11/8 at -15 gens. It is the unique temperament in the 2.3.5.11 subgroup equating [[&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;81/80|S9 = &lt;/del&gt;81/80]], [[&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;100/99|S10 = &lt;/del&gt;100/99]], and [[&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;121/120|S11 = &lt;/del&gt;121/120]], thus tempering out [[243/242]], [[4000/3993]], and [[8019/8000]]. [[65edo]] is the unique intersection of schismic (helenus) and gravity, and thus has, for its size, great approximations to the subgroup.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Gravity]] also provides a very natural approximation to the 2.3.5.11 subgroup, having ~40/27 as the generator, and finding 3/2 at -6 gens, 5/4 at -17 gens and 11/8 at -15 gens. It is the unique temperament in the 2.3.5.11 subgroup equating [[81/80]] &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;({{S|9}})&lt;/ins&gt;, [[100/99]] &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;({{S|10}})&lt;/ins&gt;, and [[121/120]] &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;({{S|11}})&lt;/ins&gt;, thus &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;tempering out&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]] &lt;/ins&gt;[[243/242]], [[4000/3993]], and [[8019/8000]]. [[65edo]] is the unique intersection of schismic (helenus) and gravity, and thus has, for its size, great approximations to the subgroup.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Rank-3 temperaments ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Rank-3 temperaments ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Vishdel]] provides a low-complexity, accurate temperament, but for those searching a much higher accuracy system, [[tritomere]] is among the best rank-3 temperaments for this case, having tremendous accuracy with manageable complexity, tempering out the difference between three [[&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;243/242|rastmas&lt;/del&gt;]] and one [[&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;81/80|&lt;/del&gt;syntonic comma]] (0.08 cents). Its boundary of usability begins at [[152edo|152]] and [[159edo]], the latter inheriting the marvelous fifths from 53edo, one that [[Aura]] has shown great interest in. Bigger edos that support this excellent temperament include [[342edo]], [[494edo]], [[677edo]], [[1171edo]], among others.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Vishdel]] provides a low-complexity, accurate temperament, but for those searching a much higher accuracy system, [[tritomere]] is among the best rank-3 temperaments for this case, having tremendous accuracy with manageable complexity, tempering out the difference between three [[&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;rastma&lt;/ins&gt;]]&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;s &lt;/ins&gt;and one [[syntonic comma]] (0.08 cents). Its boundary of usability begins at [[152edo|152]] and [[159edo]], the latter inheriting the marvelous fifths from 53edo, one that [[Aura]] has shown great interest in. Bigger edos that support this excellent temperament include [[342edo]], [[494edo]], [[677edo]], [[1171edo]], among others.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Category:Just intonation subgroups|#]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Category:Just intonation subgroups|#]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Category:Rank-4 temperaments|#]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Category:Rank-4 temperaments|#]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Category:11-limit|#]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Category:11-limit|#]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>FloraC</name></author>
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		<title>Eufalesio at 09:54, 19 April 2026</title>
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		<updated>2026-04-19T09:54:05Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The &#039;&#039;&#039;2.3.5.11 subgroup&#039;&#039;&#039; (AKA &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;as &lt;/del&gt;&#039;&#039;yala&#039;&#039; in [[color notation]]) is a [[just intonation subgroup]] consisting of [[rational interval]]s where 2, 3, 5, and 11 are the only allowable [[prime factor]]s, so that every such interval may be written as a ratio of integers which are products of 2, 3, 5 and 11. This is an infinite set and still infinite even if we restrict consideration to a single octave. Some examples within the [[octave]] include [[5/4]], [[3/2]], [[11/8]], [[11/9]], [[27/22]], and so on.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The &#039;&#039;&#039;2.3.5.11 subgroup&#039;&#039;&#039; (AKA &#039;&#039;yala&#039;&#039; in [[color notation]]) is a [[just intonation subgroup]] consisting of [[rational interval]]s where 2, 3, 5, and 11 are the only allowable [[prime factor]]s, so that every such interval may be written as a ratio of integers which are products of 2, 3, 5 and 11. This is an infinite set and still infinite even if we restrict consideration to a single octave. Some examples within the [[octave]] include [[5/4]], [[3/2]], [[11/8]], [[11/9]], [[27/22]], and so on.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;In can be thought as either an extension of [[Alpharabian tuning]] with the familiar 5-limit chords and stuctures, or a retraction of the 11-limit by removing prime 7. It can be similar to the [[2.3.5.13 subgroup]], specially considering neutral interval pairs such as 39/32 ~ 11/9 and 16/13 ~ 27/22, which are connected by the small comma of [[352/351]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;In can be thought as either an extension of [[Alpharabian tuning]] with the familiar 5-limit chords and stuctures, or a retraction of the 11-limit by removing prime 7. It can be similar to the [[2.3.5.13 subgroup]], specially considering neutral interval pairs such as 39/32 ~ 11/9 and 16/13 ~ 27/22, which are connected by the small comma of [[352/351]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Eufalesio</name></author>
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		<title>Eufalesio: color notation</title>
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		<updated>2026-04-19T09:53:36Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;color notation&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The &#039;&#039;&#039;2.3.5.11 subgroup&#039;&#039;&#039; is a [[just intonation subgroup]] consisting of [[rational interval]]s where 2, 3, 5, and 11 are the only allowable [[prime factor]]s, so that every such interval may be written as a ratio of integers which are products of 2, 3, 5 and 11. This is an infinite set and still infinite even if we restrict consideration to a single octave. Some examples within the [[octave]] include [[5/4]], [[3/2]], [[11/8]], [[11/9]], [[27/22]], and so on.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The &#039;&#039;&#039;2.3.5.11 subgroup&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;(AKA as &#039;&#039;yala&#039;&#039; in [[color notation]]) &lt;/ins&gt;is a [[just intonation subgroup]] consisting of [[rational interval]]s where 2, 3, 5, and 11 are the only allowable [[prime factor]]s, so that every such interval may be written as a ratio of integers which are products of 2, 3, 5 and 11. This is an infinite set and still infinite even if we restrict consideration to a single octave. Some examples within the [[octave]] include [[5/4]], [[3/2]], [[11/8]], [[11/9]], [[27/22]], and so on.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;In can be thought as either an extension of [[Alpharabian tuning]] with the familiar 5-limit chords and stuctures, or a retraction of the 11-limit by removing prime 7. It can be similar to the [[2.3.5.13 subgroup]], specially considering neutral interval pairs such as 39/32 ~ 11/9 and 16/13 ~ 27/22, which are connected by the small comma of [[352/351]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;In can be thought as either an extension of [[Alpharabian tuning]] with the familiar 5-limit chords and stuctures, or a retraction of the 11-limit by removing prime 7. It can be similar to the [[2.3.5.13 subgroup]], specially considering neutral interval pairs such as 39/32 ~ 11/9 and 16/13 ~ 27/22, which are connected by the small comma of [[352/351]].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Eufalesio</name></author>
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		<title>Overthink: /* Rank-2 temperaments */ note commas and structure for gravity</title>
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		<updated>2026-03-16T05:05:49Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Rank-2 temperaments: &lt;/span&gt; note commas and structure for gravity&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l10&quot;&gt;Line 10:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Schismic]] provides two reasonable aproximations to the 2.3.5.11 subgroup, one by finding 11/8 at the triple-augmented second (+23 fifths) through the [[cassandra]] mapping, and another by finding 11/8 at the quadruple-diminished seventh (-30 fifths) through the [[helenus]] mapping. Helenus, {{nowrap| 53 &amp;amp; 65 }}, provides a much better approximation to the subgroup, as both 5 and 11 are generated in the same direction.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Schismic]] provides two reasonable aproximations to the 2.3.5.11 subgroup, one by finding 11/8 at the triple-augmented second (+23 fifths) through the [[cassandra]] mapping, and another by finding 11/8 at the quadruple-diminished seventh (-30 fifths) through the [[helenus]] mapping. Helenus, {{nowrap| 53 &amp;amp; 65 }}, provides a much better approximation to the subgroup, as both 5 and 11 are generated in the same direction.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Gravity]] also provides a very natural approximation to the 2.3.5.11 subgroup, having ~40/27 as the generator, and finding 3/2 at -6 gens, 5/4 at -17 gens and 11/8 at -15 gens. [[65edo]] is the intersection of schismic (helenus) and gravity, and thus has, for its size, great approximations to the subgroup.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Gravity]] also provides a very natural approximation to the 2.3.5.11 subgroup, having ~40/27 as the generator, and finding 3/2 at -6 gens, 5/4 at -17 gens and 11/8 at -15 gens&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;. It is the unique temperament in the 2.3.5.11 subgroup equating [[81/80|S9 = 81/80]], [[100/99|S10 = 100/99]], and [[121/120|S11 = 121/120]], thus tempering out [[243/242]], [[4000/3993]], and [[8019/8000]]&lt;/ins&gt;. [[65edo]] is the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;unique &lt;/ins&gt;intersection of schismic (helenus) and gravity, and thus has, for its size, great approximations to the subgroup.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Rank-3 temperaments ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Rank-3 temperaments ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Overthink</name></author>
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		<title>FloraC: /* Regular temperaments */ review list</title>
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		<updated>2026-02-13T09:42:01Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Regular temperaments: &lt;/span&gt; review list&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 09:42, 13 February 2026&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l5&quot;&gt;Line 5:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 5:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Regular temperaments ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Regular temperaments ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Rank-1 temperaments (edos) ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Rank-1 temperaments (edos) ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;It &lt;/del&gt;is relatively well approximated by the following edos (bold ones do particularly well in this subgroup): &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[7edo|7]], [[15edo|15]], [[22edo|22]], [[24edo&lt;/del&gt;|&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;24&lt;/del&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[31edo|&lt;/del&gt;31&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[38edo|38]]&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[41edo|&lt;/del&gt;41&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[46edo|&lt;/del&gt;46&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[65edo|&lt;/del&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;65&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]], [[72edo|&#039;&#039;&#039;72&#039;&#039;&#039;]], [[80edo|80]]&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[87edo|&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;/del&gt;87&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]]&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[94edo|94]], [[96edo|96]], [[118edo|&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;/del&gt;118&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;]], [[130edo|130]]&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[137edo|137]], [[159edo|&lt;/del&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;159&lt;/del&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[183edo|183]]&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[217edo|217]]&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[224edo|224]]&lt;/del&gt;, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[270edo|&lt;/del&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;270&lt;/del&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]], [[311edo|311]]&lt;/del&gt;, …&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The 2.3.5.11 subgroup &lt;/ins&gt;is relatively well approximated by the following edos (&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;decreasing [[TE error]], &lt;/ins&gt;bold ones do particularly well in this subgroup): &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;{{EDOs&lt;/ins&gt;| &#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;7&lt;/ins&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;12, 15, 19, 22, &lt;/ins&gt;31, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;34&lt;/ins&gt;, 41, 46, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;53, &lt;/ins&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;65&#039;&#039;&#039;, 87, 118, &#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;152&lt;/ins&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;224&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;270&lt;/ins&gt;, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;335&lt;/ins&gt;, &#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;342&lt;/ins&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;, … &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;}}&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Rank-2 temperaments ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=== Rank-2 temperaments ===&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>FloraC</name></author>
	</entry>
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		<title>FloraC at 10:24, 11 February 2026</title>
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		<updated>2026-02-11T10:24:54Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l15&quot;&gt;Line 15:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Vishdel]] provides a low-complexity, accurate temperament, but for those searching a much higher accuracy system, [[tritomere]] is among the best rank-3 temperaments for this case, having tremendous accuracy with manageable complexity, tempering out the difference between three [[243/242|rastmas]] and one [[81/80|syntonic comma]] (0.08 cents). Its boundary of usability begins at [[152edo|152]] and [[159edo]], the latter inheriting the marvelous fifths from 53edo, one that [[Aura]] has shown great interest in. Bigger edos that support this excellent temperament include [[342edo]], [[494edo]], [[677edo]], [[1171edo]], among others.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Vishdel]] provides a low-complexity, accurate temperament, but for those searching a much higher accuracy system, [[tritomere]] is among the best rank-3 temperaments for this case, having tremendous accuracy with manageable complexity, tempering out the difference between three [[243/242|rastmas]] and one [[81/80|syntonic comma]] (0.08 cents). Its boundary of usability begins at [[152edo|152]] and [[159edo]], the latter inheriting the marvelous fifths from 53edo, one that [[Aura]] has shown great interest in. Bigger edos that support this excellent temperament include [[342edo]], [[494edo]], [[677edo]], [[1171edo]], among others.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Category:Just intonation subgroups]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Category:Just intonation subgroups&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;|#&lt;/ins&gt;]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Category:Rank-4 temperaments]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Category:Rank-4 temperaments&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;|#]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[Category:11-limit|#&lt;/ins&gt;]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>FloraC</name></author>
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		<title>FloraC: Recategorize</title>
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		<updated>2026-02-11T10:10:09Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Recategorize&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 10:10, 11 February 2026&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l15&quot;&gt;Line 15:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 15:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Vishdel]] provides a low-complexity, accurate temperament, but for those searching a much higher accuracy system, [[tritomere]] is among the best rank-3 temperaments for this case, having tremendous accuracy with manageable complexity, tempering out the difference between three [[243/242|rastmas]] and one [[81/80|syntonic comma]] (0.08 cents). Its boundary of usability begins at [[152edo|152]] and [[159edo]], the latter inheriting the marvelous fifths from 53edo, one that [[Aura]] has shown great interest in. Bigger edos that support this excellent temperament include [[342edo]], [[494edo]], [[677edo]], [[1171edo]], among others.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Vishdel]] provides a low-complexity, accurate temperament, but for those searching a much higher accuracy system, [[tritomere]] is among the best rank-3 temperaments for this case, having tremendous accuracy with manageable complexity, tempering out the difference between three [[243/242|rastmas]] and one [[81/80|syntonic comma]] (0.08 cents). Its boundary of usability begins at [[152edo|152]] and [[159edo]], the latter inheriting the marvelous fifths from 53edo, one that [[Aura]] has shown great interest in. Bigger edos that support this excellent temperament include [[342edo]], [[494edo]], [[677edo]], [[1171edo]], among others.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Category:&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Subgroup&lt;/del&gt;]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Category:&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Just intonation subgroups]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[Category:Rank-4 temperaments&lt;/ins&gt;]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>FloraC</name></author>
	</entry>
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		<title>Overthink: a category for that already exists</title>
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		<updated>2026-01-15T09:12:35Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;a category for that already exists&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Vishdel]] provides a low-complexity, accurate temperament, but for those searching a much higher accuracy system, [[tritomere]] is among the best rank-3 temperaments for this case, having tremendous accuracy with manageable complexity, tempering out the difference between three [[243/242|rastmas]] and one [[81/80|syntonic comma]] (0.08 cents). Its boundary of usability begins at [[152edo|152]] and [[159edo]], the latter inheriting the marvelous fifths from 53edo, one that [[Aura]] has shown great interest in. Bigger edos that support this excellent temperament include [[342edo]], [[494edo]], [[677edo]], [[1171edo]], among others.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Vishdel]] provides a low-complexity, accurate temperament, but for those searching a much higher accuracy system, [[tritomere]] is among the best rank-3 temperaments for this case, having tremendous accuracy with manageable complexity, tempering out the difference between three [[243/242|rastmas]] and one [[81/80|syntonic comma]] (0.08 cents). Its boundary of usability begins at [[152edo|152]] and [[159edo]], the latter inheriting the marvelous fifths from 53edo, one that [[Aura]] has shown great interest in. Bigger edos that support this excellent temperament include [[342edo]], [[494edo]], [[677edo]], [[1171edo]], among others.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Overthink</name></author>
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